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I have been wanting to do my own thing for a while now. I am pretty good at a lot of things when it comes to rehabing a house.

I have hooked up with a guy that has 13 properties all within 5 miles of my house. He is also in the process of getting more.

I am trying to decide if I should just let him 1099 me or if it would be better to file for a business name.

Willie if you see this your adice would be great.

Barman I know you have a business also. I need to get this figured out and do the best thing. I already have a name in mind.

H&H Services (handyman and Haul Services)


Any imput would be great from all the posters.
 

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I would look into an LLC and get some insurance....last thing you want is to be sued. If he writes checks deposit them and claim them...if he pays cash then the ball is in your court. Look into free advertising on the net (I.e. Craigslist) and don't expect to get any more out than you put in.
 

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i would llc it as well....1 u can have all kinds of business right offs. 2. get liability insurance, especially if u hire people to work for u...what if u hire help and they get hurt (if u are paying them cash then it doesnt matter but if u right them a check then you could be resposible if they get hurt on the job working for u, i think atleast)....also like allsports mentioned, u can get advertising for new business......the name works....as long as its availible....
 

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I started my own company 6 years and 3 months ago. There was a ton of heart-ache and the first 3.5 years in business I worked 80 hours a week MINIMUM. I went MONTHS without taking a day off. My average weekday (mon-sat) started between 7:30am-8:00am and went to at least 9:00pm and many nights until 10:30pm. Sunday was 9:00am-5:00pm to clean the building and make sure that everything that I didn't get done during the week was done by the end of the week. Not only did I have to run the business but to help make it profitable I had to do everything - even down to scrubbing the toilets. Had I not had the moxy to put in those hours and do all the work I did the business would not have been successful. I had to step back from my life - family, friends, hobies & most activities. Today I'm up to over 60 employees and have a pretty successful business to show for it. It wasn't easy by any stretch, but damn does it feel good now that things are working. Starting a business can be the greatest joy you could imagine (other than becoming a father 3 times the business is almost like a 4th child).

While I did my business as a sub-chapter "s" corp, I agree with what the others have said about opening the business as an LLC. If you're re-habbing houses you're going to want the protection the LLC provides if you have any assets what-so-ever.

For the initial start of the business, there are a lot of places out there that offer "offices" for rent. Some places call them business incubators. Instead of signing a long term lease you can rent out a 10x10 office space for a few hundy a month which gives you a commercial property space to help qualify for insurance and makes a more professional presentation for anybody that wants to meet you at your office. The office space will also generally give you a receptionist, switchboard capability so that a live person answers your office phone, gets your mail, greets your guests, etc. This person is shared among all the offices and comes with the price of renting the 10x10 office area (or what-ever size you decide you need).

You seem to have your first customer setup, but how much do you really know about this guy? Is he asking you to use your cash to rehab the properties and he'll pay you back for expenses plus your time/effort? Just watch how much cash you sink into each of those properties before getting the money back from the owner. I have no idea who this guy is or the relationship you have with him, but as has been seen on many a show on a&e and the other networks that followed the "flip my house" craze, you may start to work on one area which leads you to a major problem elsewhere and the owner of the property may not be willing to pay you for all you've put in - which could amount to thousands of dollars.

Best bet is to have him pay for the material expenses - not you. This way if you get stiffed it's only for your time and you don't have to worry about fronting money on his properties and not getting it back.

After this first customer, who else will you work for? How expensive is it to acquire a new customer and is it worth it, or are you better off exposing yourself to the risk of acquiring the homes, repair then flip (or rent out) yourself?

Final thought here ~ Whatever amount you thought you would need for start-up cash, well, triple it. You'll find there are tons of hands that reach out looking for money from you.
 

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I started my own company 6 years and 3 months ago. There was a ton of heart-ache and the first 3.5 years in business I worked 80 hours a week MINIMUM. I went MONTHS without taking a day off. My average weekday (mon-sat) started between 7:30am-8:00am and went to at least 9:00pm and many nights until 10:30pm. Sunday was 9:00am-5:00pm to clean the building and make sure that everything that I didn't get done during the week was done by the end of the week. Not only did I have to run the business but to help make it profitable I had to do everything - even down to scrubbing the toilets. Had I not had the moxy to put in those hours and do all the work I did the business would not have been successful. I had to step back from my life - family, friends, hobies & most activities. Today I'm up to over 60 employees and have a pretty successful business to show for it. It wasn't easy by any stretch, but damn does it feel good now that things are working. Starting a business can be the greatest joy you could imagine (other than becoming a father 3 times the business is almost like a 4th child).

While I did my business as a sub-chapter "s" corp, I agree with what the others have said about opening the business as an LLC. If you're re-habbing houses you're going to want the protection the LLC provides if you have any assets what-so-ever.

For the initial start of the business, there are a lot of places out there that offer "offices" for rent. Some places call them business incubators. Instead of signing a long term lease you can rent out a 10x10 office space for a few hundy a month which gives you a commercial property space to help qualify for insurance and makes a more professional presentation for anybody that wants to meet you at your office. The office space will also generally give you a receptionist, switchboard capability so that a live person answers your office phone, gets your mail, greets your guests, etc. This person is shared among all the offices and comes with the price of renting the 10x10 office area (or what-ever size you decide you need).

You seem to have your first customer setup, but how much do you really know about this guy? Is he asking you to use your cash to rehab the properties and he'll pay you back for expenses plus your time/effort? Just watch how much cash you sink into each of those properties before getting the money back from the owner. I have no idea who this guy is or the relationship you have with him, but as has been seen on many a show on a&e and the other networks that followed the "flip my house" craze, you may start to work on one area which leads you to a major problem elsewhere and the owner of the property may not be willing to pay you for all you've put in - which could amount to thousands of dollars.

Best bet is to have him pay for the material expenses - not you. This way if you get stiffed it's only for your time and you don't have to worry about fronting money on his properties and not getting it back.

After this first customer, who else will you work for? How expensive is it to acquire a new customer and is it worth it, or are you better off exposing yourself to the risk of acquiring the homes, repair then flip (or rent out) yourself?

Final thought here ~ Whatever amount you thought you would need for start-up cash, well, triple it. You'll find there are tons of hands that reach out looking for money from you.


I agree with what you say about needing to work as many hours as it takes.
The guy I am dealing with seems like a good person. He is an engineer at GM. We have many things in common since I was in the atou testing industry.

I do not want to start buying homes unless I get them for cheap. I don't want to expose myself with putting that much money out. Let other people buy the houses and I can fix them up. The key is to keep in mind that these are rentals and need to be done right but also not cost too much. I am very good at making houses look good.at a low cost.
 

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depends how much you make......if the debate is sole prop or sm llc then def sm llc because of the limited liability

however, whoever said s-corp has the right idea if you intend to make some serious dough on this business....government is trying to change the tax laws now so that the s-corp doesn't have that huge advantage but until it sets in, that would be the way to go if this is gonna be big time
 

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S Corp... There are some things you can take advantage of for tax savings...
 

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S Corp... There are some things you can take advantage of for tax savings...

S Corp for what you are doing TRS

I own a business doing this exact thing. Have 12 houses now with about 300K in Equity with others that I am flipping

Funny thinking back when I bought my first house some asshole was on here making fun of how ugly the house I bought was. "Look at me now Asshole"
 

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Found me a whale. This woman has over 70 houses with many having multiple units. I already am doing 2 jobs for her that total $5200. This woman has enough work for me for the next 3 months as it is. I just need to find another hookup like this and I am on my way.

Thanks for the advice guys. I will work as many hours as it takes to establish something for myself.

Kruser thats great. I will do this very samething within a year.
 

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Found me a whale. This woman has over 70 houses with many having multiple units. I already am doing 2 jobs for her that total $5200. This woman has enough work for me for the next 3 months as it is. I just need to find another hookup like this and I am on my way.

Thanks for the advice guys. I will work as many hours as it takes to establish something for myself.

Kruser thats great. I will do this very samething within a year.


Take pictures before/after the jobs if warranted. No better advertising than word of mouth. A good handyman is hard to find, and they are always busy.
 

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Before/After pics very smart

But even better in this day & age is to learn how to run decent video from either a camera or even a good quality cellphone

I'm not kidding

If you have a friend/spouse/whoever that can run the video cam, you can probably do a simple 3 to 5 minute clip with first couple minutes being the Before, then a couple showing you working some steps, then close with the After.

When someone else inquires about that type of job, you can email them a clip of same.

And not for nothing, but I bet many customers would PAY a few bucks extra (for example, 5% or $25) if you create a 5 to 10 minute video clip that features THEM talking to you Before & After just like on the numerous HomeImprovement cable tv shows.

The client can then send the finished 10 minute clip to friends & family, showing Before, During & After
 

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The above form of video clip advertising can likely lead to opportunities outside of your immediate community as well.

A nicely satisfied local client shares the video clip with a couple friends in another town (within a day's drive for example) and those couple of friends then recruit you to come to their town for a week or two to do their places.
 

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The above form of video clip advertising can likely lead to opportunities outside of your immediate community as well.

A nicely satisfied local client shares the video clip with a couple friends in another town (within a day's drive for example) and those couple of friends then recruit you to come to their town for a week or two to do their places.

Yes. My friend has a nice little portfolio and people like seeing the work vs taking someone's word.
 

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