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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    I noticed it does move late in the day. Seems to be just trickling upward daily.

    I was wondering if you still follow HOTT? It had a 13% move on thurs and pulled back 5% today but its at $8 now. Was the insider buying on that from the CEO, how long did it take post insider buying spree for the move and any other info you have on that 1. I noticed you've shared a lot on this 1 so figured you probably had a lot of info on HOTT.

    Also, I did read some of the book you told me about. It was ok but to be honest only a few pages really tackled insider trading in great depth.

    Anyway best of luck chop

    That was just the beginner book to cut your teeth with. It was intended to just give you an idea. If you are ready for deeper reading on the subject I can send you more info.

    It gets deeper and deeper. I just sent you that info to get you an idea.

    Although that book was not very deep, the author of that book is George Soros right hand man. He gives Mr Soros the ins and outs of the inside daily.


    As for HOTT.

    Thats a great example of my weakness.

    I am having a hard time learning when to sell a stock. It is much easier for me to figure out when an insider is bullish on a stock then it is for me to figure out when an insider is bearish.

    There are many legit reasons for someone to sell stock that has nothing to do with an insider being bearish.

    This has caused me to sell stock and leave money on the table.

    I left HOTT too early.
    Its still going up, but I just have to look at in the perspective that I almost doubled my money in less then 3 months.

    This is what I did to test my strategy about 2 years ago:

    I looked for bullish insider buying using a real tough criteria.
    I left all the semi bullish insider buying off my screen.

    I just found about the 20 most bullish insider stocks I could find.

    I put them all in my stock screen with the date and the last sale and ignored it for a year.


    I came back a year later and compared the current price to the price I put it on my screen a year earlier.

    Out of the 20 something stocks only 2 or 3 was worth less then they were a year earlier.

    I had one that was almost 5x more then it was the year before.

    When I added all the stocks together, they out performed the market by over 3x during that period.

    Yes I know the market was up overall by a good bit during that time, but not nearly as much as the stocks on my screen.

    That was the day I started trading 100% on insider trading.


    I have been happy ever since.
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    very nice day with the market getting crushed....
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    Up another 1% today as rest of the market is down 2%. Really wish I got in at 3.44 or whatever
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    rolling along very nicely
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    This frost guy does seem to be one sharp guy

    At first I was like so what some billionaire is placing a slice of his overall wealth in this company ..... but he's a self made billionaire and based on his history is really sharp

    Also when looking into him I ran across DRJ (sports memorabilia, building client base, doing websites for NBA teams etc) ....... he owns 10 percent of the company .... Maybe something else to think about
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    seems to be more trimming in DRJ

    Dec 24, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)364DirectSale at $1.56 per share.567Dec 23, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)21,000DirectSale at $1.46 - $1.5 per share.31,0002Dec 22, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)20,000DirectSale at $1.40 per share.28,000Dec 18, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)18,700DirectSale at $1.35 - $1.42 per share.26,0002Dec 17, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)13,400DirectSale at $1.44 - $1.52 per share.20,0002Dec 17, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)11,600DirectSale at $1.40 - $1.42 per share.16,0002Dec 16, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)25,000DirectSale at $1.52 - $1.66 per share.40,0002Dec 15, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)25,000DirectSale at $1.53 - $1.62 per share.39,0002Nov 25, 2009ADELSTEIN MITCHOfficer10,000DirectSale at $1.26 per share.12,600Oct 21, 2009ADELSTEIN MITCHOfficer10,000DirectSale at $1.28 per share.12,800Oct 21, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)34,300DirectSale at $1.37 - $1.39 per share.47,0002Oct 20, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)20,000DirectSale at $1.30 per share.26,000Oct 19, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)35,000DirectSale at $1.26 - $1.28 per share.44,0002Oct 15, 2009FROST GAMMA INVESTMENTS TRUSTBeneficial Owner (10% or more)21,000DirectSale at $1.30 per share.27,300Oct 12, 2009ADELSTEIN MITCHOfficer10,000DirectSale at $0.84 per share.8,400
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    Up to 4.28 today.
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    http://www.newsystocks.com/News/4099...health-inc-opk

    Equities research analysts at Ladenburg Thalmann initiated coverage on shares of Opko Health Inc (NYSE: OPK) in a research note to investors on Thursday. The analysts set a "buy" rating and a $6.00 price target on the stock.
    Shares of Opko Health Inc opened at 4.14 on Friday. Opko Health Inc has a 52 week low of $2.02 and a 52 week high of $5.03. The stock's 50-day moving average is $3.61 and its 200-day moving average is $3.85. The company has a market cap of $1.180 billion.
    Opko Health Inc. is a specialty healthcare company. The Company is focused on the discovery, development and commercialization of pharmaceutical products, vaccines, diagnostic technologies, and imaging systems. Its business consists of the development of a range of pharmaceutical products and diagnostic tests, and the development, commercialization and sale of ophthalmic diagnostic and imaging systems, and instrumentation products, as well as the sale of pharmaceutical products, over-the-counter products and medical devices to government, private and institutional markets in Chile and Mexico. In October 2009, the Company acquired Pharma Genexx, a company engaged in the marketing, sale, and distribution of pharmaceutical products, over-the-counter products and medical devices for government, private and institutional markets in Chile. In February 2010, it completed the acquisition of Pharmacos Exakta.
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    4.42 in after-hours. Thats around 30% gain in a few weeks since Chop recommended the stock. Anything can happen any day of the week but looks like a great call Chop. Really gotta hand it to you on this 1 man. The initial run-up I wasn't sure if it was riding the market wave or not but this past week its continued to be a freight train even with the overall sea of red we've had.
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    It's a good call.

    It's rising steadily and the chart looks good.

    Might top out at $4.50 - $4.75.
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    I thought we would hit some sort of resistance at around the 4.22 mark but it blew right past that point.

    The insider buying has stopped 100% in the last 2 weeks. No form 4's have been submitted in over 2 weeks.

    This is a good sign. Insider's cant trade on soon to be news without the risk of SEC violations.

    We still have no official news yet from this stock.
    Once the news hits I expect a great pop.

    I have read a story from a source that I don't trust that says a buyout with a $12 per share premium is about to be announced.

    Im not going to get excited about that because I dont know if this source is legit.
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    Can you reveal the source? If not its cool but I wouldn't mind seeing it. $12 per share seems like an insane premium though.
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    I read some buyout stuff just on internet message boards. All i could really find, the consensus seemed to be $7 would be the buyout point. Although it did make it sound like it would happen sooner than later but I guess this is all just heresay at this point.
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    It could well be a gold mine.

    My biggest regret ever was JAZZ, I found that one when it was trading @ 2 bucks. If I let my money sits there until today, I could be looking for 2nd home in Naples, FL now.

    I took a profit at 89% gain and I never get back in, I was hoping that it would dip so I can reload and that motherfucker keeps rising.

    I'm still kicking my nuts every time I think about it.
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    Look out.

    This thing is going crazy in after hours. Up to $4.48 per share since the closing bell.

    I will be the 1st to say I have no idea what is going on.

    I bought this stock strickly due to tremendous insider buying.
    Thats what I base ALL my trades on for the last 6 months. I will never do it another way.

    It works.


    As far as the buyout rumor.
    I would not put any stock into that. I saw it on a message board.
    Stock boards are a cesspool filled with BS.

    I probably should have never even brought it up.

    With that said, it is undeniable that something huge is going on with OPK.

    The great thing is the news thats causing this has not even gone public yet.
    We are just getting started. This thing could explode and we got in at the ground floor.

    You guys if you bought in when I 1st posted this thread got in at the very bottom.

    I actually got in a few weeks before posting this thread at 3.62 which is not as good as what it was at when I started this thread.

    I have been watching this company for the last 3 months knowing that this would take off in the near future. I was about 2 weeks early personally, but the timing of this thread was dead on perfect.

    I only wish I would have put more money into this stock.

    It traded 3 million shares today!

    That is almost 4x the average volume.

    There is still almost 10 million shares short on this stock.
    This could cause a tremendous squeeze job that could pop this thing like you have never seen.

    When a short covers there position it turns into a buy.

    So when the upward movement of this stock causes the shorts to get out of there positions, not only will you have the upward movement, you will also have the shorts covering at the same time causing buying pressure to send the stock to the moon.

    Then throw in the news thats about to hit thats not public yet on top of all that and you will see fireworks fellas.

    Im excited big time right now.

    Good luck to all of us.
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    I know this is basically impossible to predict but what type of gains are you expecting overall? I know you said HOTT did like 50% in 3 months and you thought it would be bigger than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    I know this is basically impossible to predict but what type of gains are you expecting overall? I know you said HOTT did like 50% in 3 months and you thought it would be bigger than that.
    I wish I knew. Figuring out the exit is not my strong point since my reason for entering any stock is based 100% on insider trading.

    I know nothing of the fundamentals of OPK, I did not even know what they do to make money when I dropped over $3600 into the company which is another regret. I wish I would have put more. I dont even have enough to remove my cost basis with such a low investment.

    So all I can do is place stops on it, and ride it as far as it will go.


    The reason I think OPK will do better then HOTT is because the insider buying on this stock by Phillip Frost was more aggresive then any other stock I have ever studied. And it was exactly the kind of insider buying that you look for when you trade on insider info.

    HOTT was also traded aggresive by the CEO before I bought that company, but it was nothing compared to what Mr Frost did constantly on the open market up until about 2 weeks ago.

    Thats the reason I said I think OPK will do better then HOTT.

    Not only do I have record of serious insider open market buying in OPK, but with the added bonus of that person being Phillip Frost.

    I have a 25% trail stop on OPK right now.

    I have no set figure on what it will be longterm.



    Now with all that being said, even though my purchase had nothing to do with the fundamentals of OPK, I naturally got interested in what they do the last few weeks and have done some research on the company itself.

    They have 3 very big things in the late stages of approval that could be approved at any moment.

    Something tells me thats what this run up is all about.

    We have no news whatsoever to back the price move up yet.

    But its coming.

    Thats whats nice about getting in on the ground floor with the insiders(smart people) on stocks.

    You get to be a part of the runup.

    Now I understand what the meaning of the phrase "selling on the news" is all about.

    Have you ever seen a stock with a great quarter that beats the street and the stock goes way down?
    Well in a lot of cases the stock soared up big right before that report and by the time you got in on it it was too late.

    By the time the news hits and every Joe Blow out there start jumping on, we on the inside already enjoyed a huge run up on the stock.

    I will be watching insider selling real close when the news comes out, but I have a feeling there is something very real about OPK that will be sustained.

    $30 to $50 a share is not out of the question in the not too distant future of all this late stage approvals pan out. And according to some very smart people based on insider buying, they believe it will pan out.

    We will see.
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    Look how interesting this info is.

    Besides the period between Jan 21st when Frost bought over 4million shares to Feb 22nd.
    Right now we are in the longest period of time in 2011 without Frost buying shares on the open market.
    Check the dates of all his buys.
    It is now July the 15th and Frost has not bought any shares since June 22nd.
    I started this thread on June 24th.
    This stock started taking off on the 25th or 26th.

    From my learning and study of insider trading this is a GREAT sign.
    He open buys consistently for over a year, then right before the action starts he quits.

    This is a sign that the inside news that he knows about is right around the corner.

    He is not allowed to buy right before news that is not public without facing severe illegal trading sanctions from the SEC.

    So this quiet period started on June 22nd.
    Now all of a sudden the price is going up 3 days later.



    Insider Trading Relationship Date Transaction Cost #Shares Value ($) #Shares Total SEC Form 4
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 22 Buy 3.41 50,000 170,496 104,871,465 Jun 23 08:49 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 17 Buy 3.30 50,000 165,080 104,821,465 Jun 20 09:13 AM
    UPPALURI SUBBARAO V Sr Vice President - CFO Jun 16 Buy 3.41 1,000 3,410 162,000 Jun 17 02:50 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 16 Buy 3.42 50,000 171,072 104,771,465 Jun 17 08:59 AM
    Logal Adam Exec Dir-Fin., CAO & Treasurer Jun 15 Option Exercise 0.56 50,000 28,000 50,000 Jun 17 02:50 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 15 Buy 3.43 50,000 171,254 104,721,465 Jun 16 09:07 AM
    Logal Adam Exec Dir-Fin., CAO & Treasurer Jun 15 Sale 3.40 50,000 169,860 0 Jun 17 02:50 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 14 Buy 3.47 50,000 173,479 104,671,465 Jun 15 09:40 AM
    PAGANELLI JOHN A Director Jun 13 Buy 3.44 10,000 34,400 225,000 Jun 14 02:13 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 13 Buy 3.41 50,000 170,460 104,621,465 Jun 14 08:51 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 10 Buy 3.44 20,000 68,746 104,571,465 Jun 13 09:06 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 09 Buy 3.44 88,959 306,101 104,551,465 Jun 10 09:23 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 08 Buy 3.53 30,000 105,949 104,462,506 Jun 09 07:31 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 03 Buy 3.56 15,000 53,431 104,432,506 Jun 06 09:09 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jun 01 Buy 3.64 50,000 182,089 104,417,506 Jun 02 08:58 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 31 Buy 3.73 50,000 186,374 104,367,506 Jun 01 09:11 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 27 Buy 3.77 10,000 37,696 104,317,506 May 31 09:46 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 24 Buy 3.71 10,000 37,140 104,307,506 May 25 08:21 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 19 Buy 3.80 35,454 134,725 104,297,506 May 20 08:56 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 17 Buy 3.67 15,000 55,101 104,262,052 May 18 09:01 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 16 Buy 3.67 20,000 73,325 104,247,052 May 17 08:42 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 13 Buy 3.73 15,000 55,985 104,227,052 May 16 10:05 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 11 Buy 3.78 15,000 56,740 104,212,052 May 12 08:32 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 06 Buy 3.74 15,000 56,106 104,197,052 May 09 12:06 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 05 Buy 3.73 20,000 74,698 104,182,052 May 06 08:26 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 04 Buy 3.80 20,000 76,000 104,162,052 May 05 08:36 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman May 03 Buy 3.83 20,000 76,581 104,142,052 May 04 08:25 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 21 Buy 3.74 20,000 74,804 104,122,052 Apr 25 10:04 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 18 Buy 3.78 25,000 94,604 104,102,052 Apr 19 03:43 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 13 Buy 3.65 10,000 36,515 104,077,052 Apr 14 09:44 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 11 Buy 3.71 15,000 55,595 104,067,052 Apr 12 08:23 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 08 Buy 3.77 10,000 37,680 104,052,052 Apr 11 08:43 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 06 Buy 3.78 10,000 37,800 104,042,052 Apr 07 08:48 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Apr 01 Buy 3.73 15,000 55,930 104,032,052 Apr 04 08:38 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 31 Buy 3.74 15,000 56,025 104,017,052 Apr 01 09:15 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 30 Buy 3.80 10,000 38,025 104,002,052 Mar 31 09:30 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 28 Buy 3.76 10,000 37,550 103,992,052 Mar 29 09:01 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 23 Buy 3.77 15,000 56,475 103,982,052 Mar 24 08:39 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 22 Buy 3.65 25,000 91,310 103,967,052 Mar 23 08:49 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 18 Buy 3.66 25,000 91,505 103,942,052 Mar 21 10:58 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 16 Buy 3.66 50,000 183,072 103,917,052 Mar 17 09:09 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 15 Buy 3.69 50,000 184,716 103,867,052 Mar 16 08:33 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 14 Buy 3.72 50,000 186,182 103,817,052 Mar 15 09:14 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 11 Buy 3.71 100,000 371,437 103,767,052 Mar 14 09:27 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 10 Buy 3.52 150,000 527,967 103,667,052 Mar 11 09:13 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Mar 09 Buy 3.60 900,000 3,240,029 100,317,052 Mar 09 05:50 PM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Feb 22 Buy 4.44 30,000 133,147 99,417,052 Feb 23 09:12 AM
    FROST PHILLIP MD ET AL CEO & Chairman Jan 21 Buy 3.55 1,158,000 4,109,943 99,387,052 Jan 25 10:45 AM
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    At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I don't really understand how after hours works. If it was 4.48 in AH, how does it open at the close price of 4.33?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatsFan1283 View Post
    At the risk of sounding like an idiot, I don't really understand how after hours works. If it was 4.48 in AH, how does it open at the close price of 4.33?

    Because its trades with investors through an (ECN)
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    Everything still quite from the SEC form 4's
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    chop..you really had a great eye on this one...are you going to say when you think it's sell time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gmenknicks View Post
    chop..you really had a great eye on this one...are you going to say when you think it's sell time?
    I will tell everyone when im getting out, but this does not mean I will be right.
    The only advice I have for right now is to put a stop on your cost basis.
    We are in the position to where we can be certain of a profit.

    The news that caused this runup has not come out yet. The thing may be just getting started.
    I will be in this for a while.
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    I just noticed this post. If you look back on Jazz, it also had a ton of insider buying right before it started climbing.
    In almost every case, if you want to know whats about to go up, all you need to do is check out if the insiders in the company are bullish about there stock.


    Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
    It could well be a gold mine.

    My biggest regret ever was JAZZ, I found that one when it was trading @ 2 bucks. If I let my money sits there until today, I could be looking for 2nd home in Naples, FL now.

    I took a profit at 89% gain and I never get back in, I was hoping that it would dip so I can reload and that motherfucker keeps rising.

    I'm still kicking my nuts every time I think about it.
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    Halfway to the average daily volume in the 1st hour of trading already.
    Someone is buying a ton of OPK right now.
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