Let's get these MMA bets...

MattyMatt · Jul 27, 2011

Loving this one, so getting it in now.

Hendo +200 2units to win 4 units

Love Hendo to win at any oddss, so getting +200 is a helluva a gift IMO. Let's get this one. I will be adding more before the show this weekend. GL to all!

JakeT. · Jul 28, 2011

Best of luck but I don't think Fedor is going to have much trouble tapping Hendo out.

MattyMatt · Jul 28, 2011

Jake T. said:
Best of luck but I don't think Fedor is going to have much trouble tapping Hendo out.

I see exactly where you are coming from, but Im afraid Fedor just doesn't have any heart left. It also scares me that Hendo has no harm even with a Loss, and pretty much if Fedor loses, he is done. I like the technique of Hendo better, the size of Fedor better(Hendo is basically a Middleweight), and the heart at this time of Hendo better. But, you are right, if Fedor does win, then it will most likely be from an arm bar from the bottom. We shall see. Supposively, Fedor has been training harder and taking this fight seriously. If, and that's been a big if the last 2 or 3 fights, Fedor shows up, then Hendo is probably done for from the start. We shall see...

JakeT. · Jul 28, 2011

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Fedor got top position in the first minute of the fight. The guy has a size advantage and is one of the best Sambo practitioners in the game today. Henderson's take down defense hasn't looked good at all lately. I don't think it's Fedor's heart that is having issues... it is now that he is fighting big guys that aren't complete cans. The guy has a padded record and then some. He was never as good as the hype, but is still very good. He was just fine when all the talented guys he was facing were smaller than him, but the fight game has evolved. Still, Henderson is giving up size and Fedor has the skill set to take advantage of Henderson's weaknesses (as well as the chin to put up with any striking that happens).

ANOTHERDAY · Jul 29, 2011

Jake T. said:
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Fedor got top position in the first minute of the fight. The guy has a size advantage and is one of the best Sambo practitioners in the game today. Henderson's take down defense hasn't looked good at all lately. I don't think it's Fedor's heart that is having issues... it is now that he is fighting big guys that aren't complete cans. The guy has a padded record and then some. He was never as good as the hype, but is still very good. He was just fine when all the talented guys he was facing were smaller than him, but the fight game has evolved. Still, Henderson is giving up size and Fedor has the skill set to take advantage of Henderson's weaknesses (as well as the chin to put up with any striking that happens).

Have to take the other side Jake T. Over the past 25+ years in my opinion (2000+ fights watched), Fedor was one of the best ever. You could add Frank Shamrock and Hendu during their time also as being the best of the best. Sad when u have someone named Jon Jones who has the gift of luck and timing get all the attention. Jones fought b fighters through and through. The night he beat Rua, who wouldn't beat Rua. His body is so badly damaged and he is long past his end of days. Some of the best will never be seen again. There is not much left anymore.....

JakeT. · Jul 29, 2011

ANOTHERDAY? said:
Have to take the other side Jake T. Over the past 25+ years in my opinion (2000+ fights watched), Fedor was one of the best ever. You could add Frank Shamrock and Hendu during their time also as being the best of the best. Sad when u have someone named Jon Jones who has the gift of luck and timing get all the attention. Jones fought b fighters through and through. The night he beat Rua, who wouldn't beat Rua. His body is so badly damaged and he is long past his end of days. Some of the best will never be seen again. There is not much left anymore.....

It's funny what a massive knee to the dome in the first 5 seconds of the fight does to a fighter... Rua said he was perfectly healthy going into the fight and the knee had him on queer street the rest of the way. He's still in his prime and "Bones" is really just that good. I know "Shogun" has had his knee injuries in the past but he was also hurt by the fact he hasn't really had a training camp to get him ready the past few years. He just signed on to Nova Uniao so we'll see if it helps.

jonnyg4508 · Jul 29, 2011

I see Fedor winning. On paper he just has more tools. Quicker hands, stronger, bigger, great subs. And his chin and clinch game are on par with Hendo's.
That said, I don't see that much value at around -250. Hendo is a game opponent, and has that H-Bomb that I believe can hurt anyone. I could also see a great fight that goes to the cards, and who knows. I think Fedor -190 or -200 is about where it should be. I will just enjoy this fight.

What does everyone think about the other favorites just continuing to climb out of control? I liked Saff and Woodley coming in, but I thought originally they would be at better odds. So I wait...only to see them rise a bunch. What do you think about Saff inside the distance? Smith gets KO'd all the time, and he defiantly could get sub'd here too. I don't think this prop is out yet though.

CoreyCruise · Jul 29, 2011

I put a small wager on Hendo. With the +200 odds he's getting, I figure it's worth a small play. It's a win/win for me. If Hendo wins, I win $200 to cover my food and drink tab during the fights. If Fedor wins, he's back in the game and defeats a legitimate fighter. I'd love to see Fedor fight a few times in the UFC.

Fedor is good, damn good. But I think besides his striking, quickness, and submission skills, he would intimidate his opponents. People fear Fedor and think he is immortal. I think his last 2 fights proved that he is human.

I think Hendo has a punchers chance and a wrestlers chance to win this by decision. Either way I hope to see a good fight.

As for the Shogun/Griffin fight... WTF is this all about??? Putting the former light heavyweight champion against the has been Griffin is crazy. I just don't understand why Joe Silva and Dana White want this match up? Griffin will never be a contender again, and if Shogun loses, it will prove that he wasn't much of a champion to begin with. When Rashad was supposed to fight Davis, they should have had Shogun fight Rampage. A Shogun/Rampage fight is stylistically a better matchup and one that has good consequences. Meaning, if Shogun defeats Rampage, he is back in the title hunt. If Rampage wins, he just defeated the former champion further validating his title contention. Now Davis is out so Rashad is fighting Tito. I would have rather seen Rashad fight Shogun. There were better options, I'm not even interested with Shogun fighting Griffin.

Well, good luck to all on their bets!!!

jonnyg4508 · Jul 29, 2011

Corey Cruise said:
As for the Shogun/Griffin fight... WTF is this all about??? Putting the former light heavyweight champion against the has been Griffin is crazy. I just don't understand why Joe Silva and Dana White want this match up? Griffin will never be a contender again, and if Shogun loses, it will prove that he wasn't much of a champion to begin with. When Rashad was supposed to fight Davis, they should have had Shogun fight Rampage. A Shogun/Rampage fight is stylistically a better matchup and one that has good consequences. Meaning, if Shogun defeats Rampage, he is back in the title hunt. If Rampage wins, he just defeated the former champion further validating his title contention. Now Davis is out so Rashad is fighting Tito. I would have rather seen Rashad fight Shogun. There were better options, I'm not even interested with Shogun fighting Griffin.

Well, good luck to all on their bets!!!

Ummm, perhaps because Shogun is a crumbling mess of a body, and just looked like crap. While Forrest has a win over him and is on a 2 fight win streak. So you suggest Rampage gets Shogun, and Jones i left without an opponent? Yea, tie up another belt for a long time....just what they need. HW has been tied up, GSP doesn't fight for a long time, and LW has been tied up. THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.

CoreyCruise · Jul 29, 2011

There were a lot of moving parts because fighters were getting hurt. Shogun was supposed to fight Rashad initially but Rashad got hurt. Rampage was asked to fight Shogun for the Title on short notice but he turned it down cause he was out of shape. So Jones steps in and takes the Title.

Jones was supposed to fight Rashad in his first Title defense, but pulled out cause of his hand. The UFC wasn't even sure when Jones was going to fight again. So Rashad was matched up to fight Davis, but Davis got hurt leaving Rashad without an opponent. In steps Tito. Now that Jones says his hand is fine without surgery, they match him up with Rampage.

So when all is said and done, the "LHW Title" would NOT have been tied up. Jones is set to fight Sept 24th. All I'm saying is that Forrest Griffin who is on a "2 fight win streak" against Ortiz in 2009 and Franklin this year is boring to me. That's MY opinion. Griffin had the belt in 2008 and lost it in his first Title defense against Rashad. Since then he has fought Silva and lost, then matched up against Ortiz and Franklin.

You have your opinions Jonny and I have mine. That's what these forums are all about. Shogun may be banged up but IMO he was on a 4 win streak prior to getting murdered by Jones. Shogun beat Coleman, Liddell, Lost to Machida which I thought was BS, then KOd Machida in the rematch.

I hope Tito defies the odds again and defeats Rashad, but I see this decision going to Rashad. I see Shogun defeating Griffin by decision or late TKO. I see Jones defeating Rampage by TKO. Leaving Jones to face off against Rashad like the UFC wanted all along in 2012 for his second title defense and victory. Machida will probably face Davis in 2012.

I got no beef with anyone. I read the forums, I do my research like everyone, and I put my $$$ where my mouth is, win or lose. We all have our opinions on this forum.

jonnyg4508 · Jul 30, 2011

I'm not bashing you.

I'm just pointing out that Shogun/Forrest makes sense. Yes I believe Forrest should get this fight, you know the guy who beat Shogun...actually by submission. Yea I think the guy coming off of 2 wins, the last one dominant deserves to fight a guy that just took the biggest ass whooping of his life.

Also, pretty funny you back Shogun for this 4 fight win streak...2 out of the 3 fighters he beat were named Mark Coleman and Chuck Liddell....yet you want to rag on Forrest's recent wins. Pretty laughable.

MemphisMonroe · Jul 30, 2011

How can you discredit a guy (Forrest) that loses to Anderson Silva that nobody can beat as not having it anymore? And Franklin is a legit win he is far from a toss around opponent.

CoreyCruise · Jul 30, 2011

Hmm well let's see what's more laughable Jonny, Griffin beat Tito who at that time didn't have a win in like 4-5 years, and he won by split decision. Then he beats Franklin by decision. The same Franklin that almost lost to Liddell until he landed the right that Chuck walked into. So am I impressed by Griffin's last 2 wins...NO.

Shogun on the otherhand, fought a fossil named Coleman (KO win), and a former KO artist named Liddell (KO win). Yes, both past their prime but at least he finished them. But then he steps into the ring with Machida that KOd Rashad to take the Belt. He loses by a BS judges' decision the first time, then comes back and KOs Machida the second time around. Yes Shogun got beat up by Jones, but at least he lasted 21/2 rounds. Griffin barely lasted 1 round with Silva and pretty much knocked himself out when he walked into a short right hand jab that Silva threw when he was walking backwards. If Silva delivered the same ass kicking to Griffin that Jones did to Shogun, I would have more respect for Griffin. But Silva didn't even lay into him. Griffin just folded. Oh, and then ran out of the cage to his locker room.

WannaBet888 · Jul 31, 2011

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MattyMatt · Jul 31, 2011

Told ya!!! Bam Bam Cha Ching Ching!! :103631605

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I took Hendo in the 1st Rnd KO too at +600.

JakeT. · Jul 31, 2011

Congrats! Not especially happy with the ref for that stoppage, but ultimately it was Fedor's inexperience in the cage that cost him that sweep.

MattyMatt · Jul 31, 2011

Jake T. said:
Congrats! Not especially happy with the ref for that stoppage, but ultimately it was Fedor's inexperience in the cage that cost him that sweep.

You can use that excuse all you want to bud, but it's his own fault for not training in a cage. His last 3 fights have been in a cage, on and on and on...Switch camps, train BJJ in a cage more often. The move Hendo did is common technique when your in the position he was in. Simple as that. We can go on and on and on, but really there should be no excuses, as he knew what kind of surrounding he was going to fight in. He has for several fights now. Face it, the times have caught up with more well-rounded fighters,better experience, and Fedor has slowed a step or 2. It is what it is. We can keep the excuses coming, but I think its laughable to bring anymore up. Everyone knows when you come to fight in StrikeForce or UFC, that you are fighting in a cage. Period.

I would like to see Fedor switch camps and train more BJJ for a cage, and see what happens. It would help him greatly, but it would still probably leave room to revert back to the same excuse again.

CoreyCruise · Jul 31, 2011

Hell of a call on the Hendo first round by KO Matt! I didn't have that prop on my betting site. I got Hendo at +$200 and I slowly saw his line move all the way to +$250 by fight time. Enjoy your win!

MattyMatt · Jul 31, 2011

Corey Cruise said:
Hell of a call on the Hendo first round by KO Matt! I didn't have that prop on my betting site. I got Hendo at +$200 and I slowly saw his line move all the way to +$250 by fight time. Enjoy your win!

Yea man, Thanks! I actually threw an extra .25 units when it went to +240. I knew this one was money in the bank. Plus, both Parlay hit as well, so it was a great night. Even better if I would leave baseball along,LOL. In fact, I think I am gonna talk myself out of playing anymore baseball after today, and stick to MMA/Boxing and Football, where I do most of my damage. Can't wait for CFB season, and some more killer fights to come in the next 2 months.

jonnyg4508 · Jul 31, 2011

Jake T. said:
Not especially happy with the ref for that stoppage

:lolBIG:

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