Objective question for Yankee and Red Sox fans (and baseball fans)

billhill999 · Aug 10, 2011

Simple question, Josh Beckett, Hall of Famer, yes or no?

Breaking it down, I don't know.
You have to cut him some slack for starting his career with crappy Marlin teams. (with the exception of that over achieving 2003 team)

Beckett's average season is 15-10, with just a decent 3.80 earned run average.
Solid career WH/IP ratio of 1.21
Overall Beckett is 121-78, with Boston (4 1/2 years) he's 80-44 with 4.00 earned run average, good 1.20 WH/IP ratio pitching in the big boy sticks division.

Here's the thing, ten full seasons, only twice has he pitched a full season with more than 200 innings pitched, only twice has he made 30 + starts.

Three time all star, runner up Cy Young voting in 2007 when he won 20 games for Boston.
Has 2 WS rings.

Incredible post season pitcher though.
7-3 post season record. 3.07 earned run average in 13 post season starts (94 innings)
More than a strikeout an inning is very impressive.
0.94 postseason is even more impressive.

In a nutshell Beckett seems to miss starts every season of his career, during the regular season is a good solid starter, border line very god starter, (especially with Boston), but come October the guy goes into Superman and becomes lights out.

tar_heel_in_sc · Aug 10, 2011

Yankee fan here. I'd say it's too early to tell at age 31. He's on a great team and will rack up a lot of wins over the next 5+ years. He should end up with 200 or more wins when all is said and done. Gun to my head, I'd say he'll probably end up getting in.

billhill999 · Aug 10, 2011

Those missed starts all those seasons has me on the fence, but if he can average 16 wins the next 5 season, while staying healthy, he's in.
Like Guidry, if he did not miss those starts, he'd be in.

heynow · Aug 10, 2011

Look at a guy like Jamie Moyer...267 career wins but not Hall material. Just because you have 200+ wins doesn't make it a lock. A guy like Ron Guidry who was 170-91 with a 3.29 ERA. Won a Cy Young with a 25-3 and 1.74 ERA or even Doc Gooden both who should be in. I think Beckett is far from a lock to make it. As far as cutting him slack for playing on a few crappy Florida teams. Why? Steve Carlton played on a lot worse Philly teams and it didn't stop him from pitching great.

billhill999 · Aug 10, 2011

^
This is a solid post, I loved Lefty, the fist baseball bet I ever made was Lefty in the 1980 playoffs, he was one of the greatest pitchers I ever saw, Jim Palmer was another I loved, and I'm a NYY fan.

p.s. I never said Beckett is a lock, I say right now he's borderline.

Skoal37 · Aug 10, 2011

He's in. No explanation needed.

billhill999 · Aug 10, 2011

Skoal37 said:
He's in. No explanation needed.

Explain.

T-CANE · Aug 10, 2011

Not enough wins, or healthy seasons. Guidry should get in, got late start to his career but his win percentage and era are top notch.Beckett needs another 5 or 6 yrs of 15+ wins to be worhty.

THEDIRTYHUSTLER · Aug 11, 2011

Skoal37 said:
He's in. No explanation needed.

Really?

THEDIRTYHUSTLER · Aug 11, 2011

heynow said:
Look at a guy like Jamie Moyer...267 career wins but not Hall material. Just because you have 200+ wins doesn't make it a lock. A guy like Ron Guidry who was 170-91 with a 3.29 ERA. Won a Cy Young with a 25-3 and 1.74 ERA or even Doc Gooden both who should be in. I think Beckett is far from a lock to make it. As far as cutting him slack for playing on a few crappy Florida teams. Why? Steve Carlton played on a lot worse Philly teams and it didn't stop him from pitching great.

I agree with Bill great post!

I am a yankees fan and Beckett is a damn good pitcher but he needs to do more. He does not have a Cy young which would help him a lot. Does he have a 20 win season or has he tossed a no no?

artiesliver · Aug 11, 2011

tar_heel_in_sc said:
Yankee fan here. I'd say it's too early to tell at age 31. He's on a great team and will rack up a lot of wins over the next 5+ years. He should end up with 200 or more wins when all is said and done. Gun to my head, I'd say he'll probably end up getting in.

Same here, Yankees fan. I agree, too early to tell. He needs to have a few more great seasons.

IMO, the only lock for the HoF that is currently pitching (starting pitcher) is Roy Halladay.

What about CC Sabathia?

PatsFanatic · Aug 11, 2011

He needs more for me too. But not just average seasons either. Really good or great ones.

THEDIRTYHUSTLER · Aug 11, 2011

artiesliver said:
Same here, Yankees fan. I agree, too early to tell. He needs to have a few more great seasons.

IMO, the only lock for the HoF that is currently pitching (starting pitcher) is Roy Halladay.

What about CC Sabathia?

IMO CC is a lot closer and if he keeps this pace up he could get very close if not get over 300 wins.

tommyjohn44 · Aug 11, 2011

Virtually every pitcher that comes to mind as a HOF lock strings together (at least) a few dominant seasons. Beckett had a great 2007 and 2009 but some very average years in 08 and 10. His 2011 numbers are arguably his best but the wins aren't there to support him (only 13 decisions in 22 games).

heynow · Aug 11, 2011

I appreciate the kind words regarding my post. I just found this little nugget of information regarding pitchers and the Hall...

The criteria for the hall of fame has always been dominance in the MLB over a ten year period or exemplary career statistics.

If this is true, why is Bert Blyleven in the Hall? He was never dominant over a ten year period or even his career. To me he falls into the Jamie Moyer category. The guy pitched for 22 years, of course he will win 200+ games.

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