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Yesterday, Nova, who many thought would become a integral piece to a pitching puzzle, that would perhaps aid the Yankees in their quest to win a Division Title or anything else beyond a early vacation this season, were once again dampened by Nova's less than poor pitching performance yesterday. Nova pitched 5 innings and gave up 7 runs even though once again, the Yankee offense bailed Nova and themselves out and outscored their opponents.

This season is getting down to either do it or don't, and Nova, Phil Hughes (a real head case), and Colon, perhaps the most inconsistent of the three when closely examined, are going to make it virtually tough for the Yankees to go far in post season play this season.

The Yankee bats keep the drive alive, and should Yankee hitters go into ANY kind of collective slump, the Yankees will be virtually out of the running this year AGAIN!

Its too bad the Yankees can't play all their games at home, where their true advantage lies, with that stadium built to suit Yankee hitters. Sabathia who is the pitching staff all in one, is getting handsomely paid and derservedly so, and deep down knows he has to virtually win every time out if the Yankees are to move forward.

Maybe the Yankee brass will start getting their bankroll ready to start buying some new starters for next year. If "George" was still around, this may have all been avoided!
 
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FH, I'm a die hard NYY fan, but we are not going deep into the playoffs with Phil Hughes, or Burnett, or Colon, or Garcia, or Nova backing CC in the rotation.
Will not happen.

Let's look at the Rangers (who will win their division very easily)

For NYY to go deep in the playoffs, the starters have to hold Texas bats (which rake with the best of them, and when Napoli is in the order is scary batting behind Kinsler, andrus, Cruz, Hamilton, Beltre..............) for six innings, then get stellar relief out of Wade, Soriano, Robertson, and Mo.

Tall task.

If it's Boston, they get a bad break without Bucky in the rotation, but I don't need to document what their line up can do.
 

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billhill999- great reply Bill! I just get so sick of those Yankee diehard journalists, who really seem to believe that NOVA< HUGHES AND COLON are the keys to any magic journey into the playoffs!

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t/y FH

Let me expand on Hughes, yes, he's a headcase.
Buddy of mine works for Houston in their front office, advanced scouts say he has the worst work habits in the game.
Goes through the motions on his off days, feels he's good enough.

I cried when they gave up Kennedy in that three way deal, I knew Kennedy was clearly the better starter, but Cashman deemed Hughes untouchable, he fell in love with his fastball, feels 95MPH fastballs are sexy, thing is, 1 out of every 2 starters in the league can top 90 on the gun, Kennedy has other pitches in his arsenal.

Let's see, Kennedy is having a stellar season in Phoenix, going to win 21 games, Hughes winds up on the DL with a tired arm in May, who (unless they don't put in the work) winds up on the DL with a tired arm in May who's in his mid 20's?

Not only that, he's not a money pitcher, never has been, never will be.
Got lit up like a Christmas tree in the playoffs.
He won 18 games with smoke and mirrors, got like 7 runs a game in support that season, easy to win 18 when Cano, is driving in Jeter, all season long.

Now I mentioned the Rangers bats, Young, Napoli, andrus, Kinsler, Cruz, Hamilton, they are almost as potent as the NYY bats, and even though the Rangers 'pen doesn't measure up to Soriano to Robertson to Mo, their tandem is solid with Oliver setting up Feliz (with a steady Mark Lowe in the middle)

But Texas has an outstanding rotation.
Most don't realize that all five of their starters have won 10 or more games already.
Ogando, C J Wilson, Holland, Lewis, and Harrison.

Texas will represent the american league in the World Series, Yankees bats won't beat Texas starters in a seven game set, good pitching beats good hitting and all that.

Milwaukee will give Philly all they can handle in the National League, and don't be surprised if they upset the Phils, but that is another story for another day.

I've said this before, I'll say it again.

My passion is baseball, since I was seven years old.
I'm a die hard Yankee fan, come from a 75 year Yankee family.

BUT, I'm a baseball fan first, Yankee fan second, I'm told I'm not a Yankee fan because I appreciate the way Pedroia plays second base.

Ludicrous
 

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billhill999- great reply again! I will share this with you, as you seem to be a realist, unlike many of our brother forum members. They mean well, and I listen and respect them all. But here is one I normally would not share as I'd be accused of being a Yankee basher. But the facts are what they are. I grew up with a tall rangy red headed kid, who could hiit a baseball 450 ft in high school in New Orleans out of Jesuit High School. His name is Rusty Staub. Look him up, and his hitting record speaks for itself. He played for Houston (signed with them out of High School, after he went 4-4 vs Dave McNally of the Billings Montana American Legion team, who played the Jesuit based Tulane shirts for The American Legion World Series.

After moving on to the Mets, and Montreal, Rusty finally retired and being from New Orleans he loved to cook and eat French quisine food, and after retiring went into the restaurant business in New York City, where he is there daily and has become a wine expert. I talk to Rusty at least once a month, and many Yankees and Mets dine there. The food is great and on any given night you may see any Yankee or Met dining there at his retaurant, named RUSTY'S.

My point is, Rusty is a honest gentleman, and has told mne many stories I simply won't repeat. I will tell you one. Yankee pitcher Phil Hughes , according to Rusty, is a real "basket case." The Yankees are not happy with him, and when he told Ron Guidry, "I don't need your help", Joe Girardi felt like a fool. Guidry, regardless of what you might think, knows how to pitch, and when a guy like that offers to help you, you don't disrespect him. Hughes has no real friends on the Yankee team, but money invested in him must be a consideration. So they tolerate his crap, but trust me, he isn't long for this poisition and with his attitude and "head problems", he won't last. Good luck to you and I enjoy your posts. You write the facts and what you believe is the truth as do I, and I could care less what any Yankee fan thinks about what I write. The Yankees need pitching beyond Sabathia and Mariano in the pen, and Hughes is nothing more but a "kankor sore." Accept it Yankee fans! Its called reality.
 

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billhill999- great reply again!
regardless of what you might think, knows how to pitch,.
What I think is Guidry was one of the best I saw, (the best I saw is a toss up between Gibson who I remember as a little kid, Carlton, Palmer, Seaver)
I think Guidry would be a Hall of Famer if his career wasn't cut short.
Of course he knows how to pitch, Righetti is another.

I grew up minutes from NYC, been to Rusty's, great ribs, been to Mickey's on Central Park, another great eatery.
I'm in Ct. now, minutes from Bobby Valentine's sports bar/restaurant, in Stamford Ct. great food, great prices, he's a tremendous businessman, he's a difficult listen on Sunday night though.

Bobby is loaded, he contemplated buying a piece of the Dodgers.
 

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o boy....why post threads bashing the yankees after a rookie pitcher has a bad outing? leave the kid alone, he made some mistakes, some cement mixer sliders that got hit, he got the win right? 12-4 as a rookie and spent a month in the minors... please
 

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o boy....why post threads bashing the yankees after a rookie pitcher has a bad outing? leave the kid alone, he made some mistakes, some cement mixer sliders that got hit, he got the win right? 12-4 as a rookie and spent a month in the minors... please
Colon is a rookie?
 

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Colon is a rookie?

nova

the thread title is "NOVA is not the answer for the yankees chances"

so i was referring to him, i dont care about colon right now he is a one year guy on the yanks and been more than we can ask for... i am talking about nova, why bash hm? makes no sense
 

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Where was the OP bashing Nova, he's basically saying Nova is not taking NYY to the promised land.

Nova is what he is, a good rookie, he has upside, will benefit from the NYY line up, he'll be a solid #3 starter in the future, maybe a pretty good #2 starter, but he will never be a bonafide ace.
 

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Agree, i dont think he will be a 2, but a very good 3

but why is this guy posting threads about the yankees not making it to the promise land? i dont get it, yankees have a better ERA as a staff then the red sox, so dont go by names go by stats.... i dnt know how else he wants us yankees fans to back it up

oh and a series of lester, beckett, bedard, lackey is not really scaring anyone

they may have a better 1-2 punch then the yanks staff but the do not have a better 3-4 punch..
 

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I'd rather face Boston, then Texas.
 

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If I was a Yankee fan, is much rather have Nova pitching than Hughes.

BILL, as a ranger fan, the last thing the rangers want to see is Oliver having to leave the bullpen. He is no longer a set-up man, he is a situational pitcher. He was reliable last year, this year he is a liability. The Mike Adams and Koji Uehara trade are what will put the rangers in the world series, imo. Mike Adams will take over the closer role, possibly in the postseasons unless Feliz starts pitching better, if not this year Adams will take over next year and Feliz will become a starter
 

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plz. Nova was 7-0 3.10 era last 8 before his worst outing last night.NOBODY HERE KNOWS ANYTING, you work with young pitchers, develop a solid 3rd pitch, wotk on location and situations, then with confidence and success, you become better than critics like FH, who never played the game, coached, or scouted in his life. He admitted he capps, BUT WHY THE HATE ON NYY FAT HARRY??, YOU A SUX FAN??, YOU BURNT BY NY IN PAST??
I've scouted and watched many of these current NYY players, but people here headcase Phil??, from who?, give me name??, I dare you!!,you all have no clue
BOSTON PITCING WORSE THAN NYY= FACT FAT HARRY, GET OVER IT, TEX MAGICAL RUN NOT GOING ON 2 YRS INA ROW
 

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Sorry you take things so personal, again, I'm done with expressing my opinions on the Yankees. Let their pitching and playing speak for itself.
 

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Sorry you take things so personal, again, I'm done with expressing my opinions on the Yankees. Let their pitching and playing speak for itself.
You obviously were taunting people with your numerous threads and bashing.What did you expect?, I don't give a hoot about yourso called explaining of why.You had a reason for what you did and it showed what your character is made of.I'm talking as a human being and mature person, your intentions were to rile up people for some sick reason, enough said, don't give me any explanations after the fact.
 

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TCANE.........Just out of curiousity, why do you think Texas is just having a magical run? I'm not a scout or as good of a capper as you, but They look awfully deep to me, not a single hole in their lineup, best baserunning team in baseball, solid starting pitching this year, and now with the trade the bullpen is better than most. What makes their run magical? Looks pretty true top to bottom to me
 

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TCANE.........Just out of curiousity, why do you think Texas is just having a magical run? I'm not a scout or as good of a capper as you, but They look awfully deep to me, not a single hole in their lineup, best baserunning team in baseball, solid starting pitching this year, and now with the trade the bullpen is better than most. What makes their run magical? Looks pretty true top to bottom to me


ill chime in, i think texas is a good good team... best baserunning team in baseball? i would say so, but stats proves the yankees are the best running team in baseball... just a fact, not being a dick

i think texas may be a tad better than the red sox because of their lineup and depth 1-5 in SP...

but everyones knock on the yanks is their SP, i think same can be said about the rangers pitching, i dont think their SP is good, im sorry i just dont, good ERAs good young guys, but i wouldnt count on them in a big series ...last year they were GREAT, but also cliff lee made that starting pitching staff great... but i think the rangers are maybe a tad better than the sox, and maybe a knotch below yanks...but all 3 are very very good teams and can be ranked in any order in the AL.. i just am not scared of the rangers if we see them in the playoffs, not sure off hand the season record against the rangers but i think yanks have beaten them 5 out or 8? 6 out of 8? yanks have good numbers against the rangers pitching.... i think if they play sox first round in playoffs i think they knock sox off first round...good team
 

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Taylor, lineup is solid, but so is the NY and Boston lineups. Tex plays in weak west, so runs and wins easier to pileup. Place NY in West and they win 120 games.. Wilson and Ogando are very good, but recall how NYY owned tex for yrs until ly, so lets see them pitch perfect like 2010. Feliz is not close to 2010 form, Adams was picked up for setup reasons, but not dominating.Remember you play in the AL WEST OR NL WEST and runs are hard to comeby, so pitching stats are skewed a bit. Lets see ERA'S fo texas pitchers facing NYY, TB,BOS, TOR lineups 18 times per team a yr!!. I'm saying its good pitching,but look at the big picture.
 

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