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Since y'all think I'm too hard in Costa Rica and must love the United States...

FATCA is seriously fucked up.

In a few years, anyone who holds a U.S. passport or green card (including Costa Rican citizens) will find themselves unwelcome in most banks here or anywhere else in the world (outside the USA).

I hope you love Citibank, because that's probably the only bank in Costa Rica that won't close your account. They've been requiring Social Security numbers for a number of years now.



[SIZE=+3]Overseas expat group campaigns against new U.S. tax law[/SIZE]
By the A.M. Costa Rica staff

American Citizens Abroad, a Geneva-based expat group, is organizing a campaign to repeal U.S. tax legislation that the organization says will destroy the lives of average, honest and hard working Americans no matter where they live.

The issue is the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act, known as FATCA. The expat organization is one of several groups that oppose the law. “Reporting on foreign bank accounts, pension plans, annuities, and property just because you hold these assets overseas is discriminatory,” said American Citizens Abroad.

A.M. Costa Rica reported in January that the organization, the Association of American Residents Overseas, based in Paris, and the Federation of American Women’s Clubs Overseas submitted comments criticizing the reporting proposals.

Non-willful reporting penalties can quickly amount to $50,000 for simply forgetting to list an asset on the proposed form, said American Citizens Abroad.

The law also puts a burden on foreign banks, whose employees have to report the assets of U.S. citizens.

Starting in 2014, foreign financial institutions will be required by the U.S. government to report information regarding accounts of U.S. citizens to the Internal Revenue Service, said American Citizens Aboard. This law requires foreign financial institutions such as a local bank, stock brokers, hedge funds, pension funds, insurance companies, trusts, and others to report directly to the tax agency all their clients who are U.S. persons.

That includes U.S. citizens and green card holders living in the United States or abroad, it noted.

The American Citizens Abroad organization said that a survey by a major international accounting firm said that only 36 percent of foreign financial institutions will comply with the U.S. law. The others are considering dumping any U.S. securities they hold as well as U.S. customers.

The form, No. 8938, that U.S. citizens will be forced to use to report foreign financial assets still is in draft form.
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The Internal Revenue Service published instructions Sept. 30.

The current draft requires calculating the values of financial assets that it defines as bank accounts, stocks, securities, interests, and financial instruments, A.M. Costa Rica reported Friday. Detailed information about the assets such as names of trusts, corporations, and account numbers must also be provided.

The Internal Revenue Service will order U.S. banks to withhold up to 30 percent of assets of foreign financial institutions for failing to comply.

American Citizens Abroad proposes a letter-writing campaign and has prepared a detailed report on the law. That report is HERE! In a letter to members of Congress, the organization said “How can the United States expect to be competitive in the global economy when its own legislation destroys the investment confidence of the rest of the world and makes it impossible for its own citizens and companies to operate internationally on a level playing field?”

Said the organization on its Web page:

“Legislators want you to believe that FATCA is about tax evasion, but it isn't. It is about destroying U.S. jobs and economic well being. Write to your congressmen and encourage all of your American friends in the United States as well as those residing overseas to support a massive write-in campaign. ACA has prepared a model letter www.aca.ch/fatcaml.txt.
 

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Honestly Citibank here is so fucked up they'll probably close your account too. They closed my wife's account for no apparent reason without any notification other than "your account's been closed" form-letter.

Apparently they wanted some SUGEF required data. But they've never asked for it, and still haven't. Yet their telemarketers call all the fucking time.

Worst bank in Costa Rica by far.

Oops, sorry, we're supposed to be complaining about the United States in this thread. Filed your FBAR forms lately?
 

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Remind me please about the restricions on "tourists" (from the USA) who want to come into CR for extended periods of a month or more.

Notably, if I have a nicely funded account (or two) with one of the big U.S. banks, can I easily transact business at CR banks with regard to moving money from the U.S. bank into CR?
 

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Remind me please about the restricions on "tourists" (from the USA) who want to come into CR for extended periods of a month or more.

Notably, if I have a nicely funded account (or two) with one of the big U.S. banks, can I easily transact business at CR banks with regard to moving money from the U.S. bank into CR?

Nope, bring your w2's or whatever as it will be part of the gazillion requirements you will need to open an account, also letters of 'recommendation' from your bank (and I doubt they will open an account if you dont have residence in here)

I met someone who sells new bills from all over the world to collectors, he was in CR and we were on the same flight on his way out (he 60k USD in colones with him), he mentioned that other than African countries , CR was the toughest to do business in (andeven then he preferred many African countries)
 

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burkina faso>costa rica wolfie?
 

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hah.........this is like Miami here except we have less foreigners

I hate Miami, stopped flying through there like 6 years ago, you are lucky that PTY airport is nothing like MIA

Same token , do you have something like South Beach girls :)
 

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Hey, stop hijacking my thread. Fuck the IRS. OMG, have you tried to comply with Subpart F? Fucking nightmare... practically prevents U.S. passport/green card holders from buying any company overseas. Makes my head ache just reading that shit.
 

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come to panama adam....its like miami cept more americans
 

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Steak, I've honestly been wondering if the SheBar and I should take a closer look at that Panama for a targeted 2015 at least seasonal (Nov-Jan) relocation while also relocating back to DFW Texas for primary home

CR had been the vision, but I'm starting to think it (CR) might make for a better winter visit while putting seasonal stakes in Panama
 

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come to panama adam....its like miami cept more americans

A useful reply to my thread on Costa Rican tax idiocy.

With regards to U.S. tax idiocy, unfortunately that applies equally to Panama or anywhere else on the planet earth.
 

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Steak, I've honestly been wondering if the SheBar and I should take a closer look at that Panama for a targeted 2015 at least seasonal (Nov-Jan) relocation while also relocating back to DFW Texas for primary home

CR had been the vision, but I'm starting to think it (CR) might make for a better winter visit while putting seasonal stakes in Panama

The only real argument going for Panama is that it is somewhat cheaper to live and a little more progressive. But everybody who I know that has moved there hates it. Its just a boring place, and the weather in the city is horrible. The driving is untolerable. And whatever you save on restaurants, you will spend it on air conditioning. Oh, and the local girls are ugly, which to me counts for something.
 

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I came to Costa Rica in 1998 and I was 20 years old....... I have never filed a tax return for 14 years I have been down here..... Anyone know what the process is? what are the penalties going to be if I decide to do something about this?

Thanks,
FI
 

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A useful reply to my thread on Costa Rican tax idiocy.

With regards to U.S. tax idiocy, unfortunately that applies equally to Panama or anywhere else on the planet earth.

ya but its nicer here
 

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I came to Costa Rica in 1998 and I was 20 years old....... I have never filed a tax return for 14 years I have been down here..... Anyone know what the process is? what are the penalties going to be if I decide to do something about this?

Thanks,
FI


basically same story, except I got here in 2000 at 22. If you get any info please share. Im honestly just thinking of renouncing my US citizenship, I love my life here and I dont see things getting better up there any time soon anyways.
 

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basically same story, except I got here in 2000 at 22. If you get any info please share. Im honestly just thinking of renouncing my US citizenship, I love my life here and I dont see things getting better up there any time soon anyways.

Dont renounce your citizenship.... It has some good benefits even though it sucks living in the states..... A US Passport can get you out of alot of trouble in a lot of countries and helps alot with the ladies!!!!

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basically same story, except I got here in 2000 at 22. If you get any info please share. Im honestly just thinking of renouncing my US citizenship, I love my life here and I dont see things getting better up there any time soon anyways.

erase that thought immediately, you dont want to do that, since I am the smartest (or top 2?) poster in here, take the advice from me
 

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I came to Costa Rica in 1998 and I was 20 years old....... I have never filed a tax return for 14 years I have been down here..... Anyone know what the process is? what are the penalties going to be if I decide to do something about this?

Thanks,
FI

you should backfile for two reasons

if you never file them , the statue of limitations in that NEVER expires because you NEVER filed them

second, if you want to bring your family to the US with you, you will need to be current

no reason not to file , remember that big brother is everywhere and well, you can easily declare up to 90k /year , current limit and pay nothing????
 

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I came to Costa Rica in 1998 and I was 20 years old....... I have never filed a tax return for 14 years I have been down here..... Anyone know what the process is? what are the penalties going to be if I decide to do something about this?

Thanks,
FI

There's only penalties if you owed something. (Or forgot to declare a foreign account > $10,000, or forgot to declare ownership of any foreign corporation, etc... )

Just file 1040 and 2555EZ for each year, declare foreign earned income under the tax limit (depends on year, presently $92,900).

I have no idea what would happen if they wanted to audit you here. I get paid in cash and keep no records, so good luck with that audit... and I'm not going to the Embassy.
 

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