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NEW YORK – The NBA and Players Association have moved to the cusp of ending the four-month old lockout, and there’s strong belief on both sides that a Friday bargaining session could culminate with the framework of an agreement to preserve most, if not all, of a full season.


“It’s moved to a very good place,” one source briefed on Thursday’s 7½-hour bargaining session told Yahoo! Sports. “There’s a strong expectation [within the negotiations] that hands will shake [Friday].”


Negotiations will resume at 10:30 a.m. ET Friday with talks expected to quickly progress to the proposed revenue split between the league’s owners and players. Both sides sounded optimistic they could soon settle the major issues separating them from a new collective bargaining agreement.

“I think we’re within reach – and within striking distance of getting a deal,” Players Association executive director Billy Hunter said. “It’s just how receptive the NBA is, and whether they want to do a deal.”
NBA commissioner David Stern declared it will be a “failure” for the league’s owners and players if a new labor agreement isn’t finished within the next few days.
Hunter said both groups were “wiped out” after a 15-hour negotiating session that began Wednesday afternoon and lasted past 3 a.m. ET Thursday. It was easier to cut short talks on Thursday because union economist, Kevin Murphy, had to travel back to New York from Chicago. In resuming the talks on the revenue split (basketball-related income), Murphy is vital to the players’ negotiations.


Before tackling the revenue split, the biggest hurdle left to solving the system issues appears to be with the use of midlevel and bi-annual exceptions for tax-paying teams.
While details were still unclear how a punitive luxury tax system would work for teams exceeding the salary cap, one league source involved in the talks told Y! Sports on Thursday night: “The tax is not the issue. The exceptions are where the fight is.”


The owners have largely relented on letting players use their “Larry Bird rights” to re-sign with teams that are over the cap, but the owners don’t want to permit teams paying luxury tax to be able to sign players to the midlevel and bi-annual exceptions, a source said.
The two sides could be closing on a three-year maximum for signing players to the midlevel exception, starting at $5 million per season, sources said.
The two sides still have a litany of “B-list” items that they barely discussed in the process, including the draft age minimum, code of conduct for players, drug testing and pensions. Nevertheless, those items often fall into place quickly once the major issues are resolved in talks.


So far, the union has tried to tie the age minimum to changes in the rookie wage scale. The union wants high-performing players to be able to renegotiate contracts sooner than between their fourth and fifth years in the league. The NBA has proposed a bonus pool that could add as much as 20 percent to players’ rookie scale contracts for such accomplishments as Rookie of the Year and All-NBA teams.


The league can encourage players to stay in school longer if players don’t have to rush to the NBA to get the clock started on significant pay raises and free agency. The NBA wants American players to be at least 20 years old and two years removed from high school to be eligible for the draft. Under the previous labor agreement, the rule was 19 years old and one year removed from high school.


While the union would like to return to having high school players being able to enter the draft, they privately know that will never happen. In the end, they’re hopeful to keep the rule as it is.


The league and players union have moved closer to consensus on several important issues within the past two days. Sources said the sides have made significant progress on one of the labor fight’s most vexing obstacles: the luxury tax teams would have to pay for going over the salary. Nevertheless, there’s still a couple sticking points with the tax that need to be resolved.


There was a significant effort among the NBA’s owners to push hard to get a deal done with the players over the weekend, sources told Y! Sports. Stern wasn’t happy with the implosion of talks that occurred with him home ill last Thursday, and sources said he was more determined than ever to rally his owners to find some compromises to make a deal with the union.


“I leave these guys alone for a little bit of time,” Stern said early Thursday, “and all hell breaks loose.”


From front-office executives to player agents, optimism is rapidly rising that there’s significant momentum toward reaching an agreement and saving most, if not all, of the 82-game regular season. Hunter said he “assumes” the full schedule could be saved if a deal is reached by “Sunday or Monday.” Stern said the league will work with the union to schedule as many games as possible.


On Wednesday and Thursday, the two sides didn’t discuss the split of revenue – a contentious issue in previous negotiating sessions – instead taking Hunter’s suggestion they “park” the discussion while negotiating system issues.


The players would be willing to move closer to a 50-50 split on basketball-related income (BRI) if they can maintain comparable exceptions to the ones they had in the previous labor agreement – and a luxury tax that doesn’t too punitively discourage big-spending teams from exceeding the salary cap, sources said.


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I want my Mav's basketball back. Especially since we are NBA Champs and have a great chance of repeat.
 

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Sounds like maybe they're not so close after all?
I don't think they are. Just a wild guess. Really.

And nobody is talking about the real issue (just a hunch) : THE MAX SALARY

I'm locked into 16.9 mil per season and now you can only give me this?! Use your imagination, I'm using mine.
 

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not even close. too much football right now. fans dont care about the nba. maybe in feb when the only game is hockey and im a laker fan. nba, see you in Feb
 

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Please don't settle,the nba sucks
 

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and the playoffs are 2 months long, so itll be like we didnt even miss anything

will be enough nba for me... who am i kidding i dont really pay attention til the playoffs...

My thinking as well. Who gives a shit about the regular season. Only the teams that are subtandard and didn't make playoffs last season do.
You can't even count on players to show up from night to night first half of season anyway. Season really starts with playoffs.
 

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not even close. too much football right now. fans dont care about the nba. maybe in feb when the only game is hockey and im a laker fan. nba, see you in Feb

Not even...IMO. Bracket busters and prep for conf. tourneys and March Madness. In April........maybe, but even then bases will be back.
 

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My thinking as well. Who gives a shit about the regular season. Only the teams that are subtandard and didn't make playoffs last season do.
You can't even count on players to show up from night to night first half of season anyway. Season really starts with playoffs.

you can say that about any league.

basketball fans like myself want the season because they enjoy basketball.

non-basketball fans like yourself should stop commenting on something you yourself have said you have no interest in.
 

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i also didnt mention all of the employees and businesses who depend on a thriving NBA to pay there bills and survive.

read an article on the indystar of bars laying off people because nobody goes down there on game night anymore.
 

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i also didnt mention all of the employees and businesses who depend on a thriving NBA to pay there bills and survive.

read an article on the indystar of bars laying off people because nobody goes down there on game night anymore.
 
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you can say that about any league.\

um no.

the nba playoffs let 16 of 30 teams in, then 7 games per round. there really is no point in having a regular season.

"any league" you really think no one gives a shit about the NFL until the playoffs? lol

the NHL has the same playoff format as NBA and was 100x more exciting in 2011, and i dont even like hockey. in the nhl you had 3 overtime games in closeout games within 24 hours. IN THE FIRST ROUND. in the nba you had the typical dogshit matchups in the first round no one but diehard fans would watch, series like sixers vs heat LOL, knicks vs celtics, hawks vs magic... david stern is an idiot who has overblown the postseason with 7 game series and made the regular season totally irrelevent

"i also didnt mention all of the employees and businesses who depend on a thriving NBA to pay there bills and survive."

lots of layoffs and unemployment in many industries, the nba is not unique. if you want people to care more about this, convince stern to put out a product that not just hardcore nba fans will care about if its gone

"non-basketball fans like yourself should stop commenting on something you yourself have said you have no interest in. "

using this logic, unless im a fan of the st louis cardinals, i cant comment on them? ooooooookay.

i dont have anything against the nba itself, been to some games and had very good seats i think the live product is probably the best and most accessible live pro sport in the country. however between the playoffs being too goddamn long and the lockout, david stern is fucking the dog. stern is doing the NHL a HUUUUUUUUGE favor right now. might take a few years or so to see the effects, but the NHL is loving this nba lockout
 

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NBA Season moved back to November 30th.

NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA will play a shortened season -- if it plays at all -- after labor negotiations broke down for the second time in a week.
NBA Commissioner David Stern canceled all November games on Friday, the 120th day of the lockout.

"It's not practical, possible or prudent to have a full season now," said Stern, who previously canceled the first two weeks of the season.
Just a day earlier, Stern had said he would consider it a failure if the two sides didn't reach a deal in the next few days and vowed they would take "one heck of a shot" to get it done.

Owners are insistent on a 50-50 split of revenues, while players last formally proposed they get 52.5 percent, leaving them about $100 million apart annually. Players were guaranteed 57 percent in the previous collective bargaining agreement.

"Derek (Fisher) and I made it clear that we could not take the 50-50 deal to our membership. Not with all the concessions that we granted," union executive director Billy Hunter said. "We said we got to have some dollars."

But with more games canceled, the losses will begin to mount.
"We're going to have to recalculate how bad the damage is," Stern said. "The next offer will reflect the extraordinary losses that are piling up now."

No further talks have been scheduled.

After two days of making some progress on salary cap issues, the two sides brought the revenue split back into the discussion Friday and promptly got stuck on both issues.
Stern said the NBA owners were "willing" to go to 50 percent. But he said Hunter was unwilling to "go a penny below 52," that he had been getting many calls from agents and then closed up his book and walked out of the room.

Hunter said the league initially moved its target down to 47 percent during Friday's six-hour session then returned to its previous proposal of 50 percent of revenues.

"We made a lot of concessions, but unfortunately at this time it's not enough, and we're not prepared or unable at this time to move any further," Hunter said.

Union president Fisher said it was difficult to say why talks broke down, or when they would start up again.

"We're here, we've always been here, but today just wasn't the day to try and finish this out," he said.

Fisher said there were still too many system restrictions in the owners' proposal. Players want to keep a system similar to the old one, and fear owners' ideas would limit player movement.

And though they might be inclined to give up one if they received more concessions on the other, players make it sound as if they are the ones doing all the giving back.
The old cap system allowed teams to exceed it through the use of a number of exceptions, many of which the league wants to tweak or even eliminate. Hunter has called a hard cap a "blood issue" to players, and though the league has backed off its initial proposal calling for one, players think the changes owners want would work like one.

"We've told them that we don't want a hard cap. We don't want a hard cap any kind of way, either an obvious hard cap or a hard cap that may not be as obvious to most people but we know it works like a hard cap," Hunter said. "And so you get there, and then all of a sudden they say, 'Well, we also have to have our number.' And you say, 'Well wait a minute, you're not negotiating in good faith.'"

When players offered to reduce their guarantee from 57 percent to 53 percent, Hunter said that would have transferred about $1.1 billion to owners over six years. Now, at 52.5, he said that would grow to more than $1.5 billion.

But even a 50-50 split would be too high for some hard-line owners, because it would reduce only $280 million of the $300 million they said they lost last season. Owners initially proposed a BRI split that players said would have had them around 40 percent.
Though they will miss a paycheck on Nov. 15, Hunter said each player would have received a minimum of $100,000 from the escrow money that was returned to them to make up the difference after salaries fell short of the guaranteed 57 percent of revenues last season.

The small groups that were meeting grew a bit Friday. Union vice presidents Chris Paul -- wearing a Yankees cap for his trip to New York -- and Theo Ratliff joined the talks, and economist Kevin Murphy returned after he was unavailable Thursday. Mavericks owner Mark Cuban stayed for the session after taking part Thursday.

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