Joe Paterno should have wins stripped so Bobby Bowden can be restored as all-time winningest coach

5teamparlay · Nov 12, 2011

If you'll recall, Bowden had 14 victories stripped away by the NCAA for an academic cheating scandal that he was not implicated in at all. In contrast, Paterno has been implicated in ignoring the most despicable, disgusting and deplorable child sex crimes that you can possibly imagine.

Paterno apparently first learned of former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky's alleged sexual abuse of children back in 2002 and for years failed to report the incident to the authorities. By my way of thinking, Paterno should have every victory since 2002 — all 82 of them — taken away. That would leave him with 327 victories — 50 behind Bowden.

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Joe Paterno should have wins stripped so Bobby Bowden can be restored as all-time winningest coach

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Mike Bianchi
SPORTS COMMENTARY
8:32 p.m. EST, November 11, 2011

It is time for the NCAA to do the right thing and strip away many of Joe Paterno's victories and restore the great Bobby Bowden as the all-time winningest coach in major-college football history.

I know, I know, you're going to argue that Bowden's wins were stripped because his players committed NCAA violations by cheating in a music appreciation class whereas Paterno and Penn State didn't actually break any NCAA rules. Maybe so, but even though the Nittany Lyin' program didn't technically break NCAA rules; it shattered common human decency and committed one of the most heinous legal cover-ups in the history of college football.

The NCAA should strip Paterno's victories for conduct detrimental to the game and restore Bobby Bowden to his rightful place as the winningest coach in the history of major-college football.

jb777 · Nov 12, 2011

Two major league creeps!! Is there really a difference? They're both first class ass holes in my book.

texansfan · Nov 12, 2011

Actually, Paterno just passed at 408 Eddie Robinson, who coached at Grambling. Grambling is in Division 1-AA. John Gagliardi, in Division 111, has 483 wins.

slapshot · Nov 12, 2011

Bruins4Life · Nov 12, 2011

Ridiculous notion.

sean1 · Nov 12, 2011

Paterno reported the issue within 24 hours of being told to the athletic director and school president.

Paterno is not the police nor is he the FBI. He had no right or ability to investigate the accusation. He also did not witness it.

He did exactly what he should have.

If he witnessed it, he should have stopped it and called the police.
If he was told it happened, he should have reported it to the proper people at the university.

That's what he did.

DrunkenHorseplayer · Nov 12, 2011

Once something happens on the field, you can't change it. Just as Barroid Bonds should keep his homers so should Paterno keep his wins. He should be fired and stripped of his pension and all of his other perks.

MadTiger · Nov 12, 2011

Paterno's actions were related to his job (former job) at Penn State, but they had nothing to do with Penn State football directly.

Now, if they could prove he hasn't actually been coaching this last decade or so, then I would be down for him getting 80+ wins vacated.

LoCalDallasGuy · Nov 12, 2011

I don't know.. if someone came up to me and told me that someone on my staff was getting a BJ from a 10 year old boy. I would at least confront the man about it and if he deny it than I would speak to the boy and his parents. That kind of news is to disturbing not to at least investigate further. I feel that as a man and a father, I wouldn't be able to tolerate hearing that kind of crap for a second and would do everything I can stop that kind of stuff dead in its tracks.

JoePa may not be charged but he definitely wasn't a hero. The right thing was to send that guy to jail immediately before he take advantage of someone else's boy.

They may have been colleagues and good friends, but if you found out your buddy was doing crap like that .. could you just stay in the dark about it?

Maybe some could but I couldn't.

I disagree that he did enough - children lives are at stake... what he did was not enough.

LoCalDallasGuy · Nov 12, 2011

For me, As far as the wins and losses, I don't really give a crap...

I just worry about the children lives that are pretty much ruined forever.

billhill999 · Nov 12, 2011

sean1 said:
Paterno reported the issue within 24 hours of being told to the athletic director and school president.

Paterno is not the police nor is he the FBI. He had no right or ability to investigate the accusation. He also did not witness it.

He did exactly what he should have.

If he witnessed it, he should have stopped it and called the police.
If he was told it happened, he should have reported it to the proper people at the university.

That's what he did.

Amen.

Sort of like the military, there is a chain of command, if you are private and you witness or hear something, you report it to your sergeant, you do not go over anybodies head, you tell your boss, you did your job.

Joe heard of something, reported it to his boss, now Joe may not be the squeakiest clean person in NCAA sports, but too many want to crucify him.

LoCalDallasGuy · Nov 12, 2011

Not that I wanna make a huge argument about it, but , this issue isn't about the military.

This is a Felony - not a little slap in the wrist crap that you keep inside the "COMPANY".

If you reported this kind of stuff to your supervisor and your supervisor didn't provide the results you deem sufficient than you should go up higher and higher and higher until the person who committed the crime get their due just. And having him only resign and not to go to jail is sad. Basically, to cover it up to protect the image of the school and to keep it all in the dark so he can keep raping little boys on his own time.

I completely disagree that Joe Paterno did all he could but I do agree that he is not the only one that could have done more.

billhill999 · Nov 12, 2011

Paterno did not cover anything up.

LoCalDallasGuy · Nov 12, 2011

He didn't cover it up.. But he just sat their blindly while the school did.

LoCalDallasGuy · Nov 12, 2011

Anyway,... each to his own opinion.

Like I said.. He won't be charge but I feel that he could have done a whole lot more than what he did.

In this circumstance, Just reporting it to your superiors and thinking you've done your job is a cop out.

An issue as sensitive and criminal as this deserve your full attention.

bucsfan67 · Nov 12, 2011

sean1 said:
Paterno reported the issue within 24 hours of being told to the athletic director and school president.

Paterno is not the police nor is he the FBI. He had no right or ability to investigate the accusation. He also did not witness it.

He did exactly what he should have.

If he witnessed it, he should have stopped it and called the police.
If he was told it happened, he should have reported it to the proper people at the university.

That's what he did.

I pretty much agree with Sean here......I mean, there is no doubt, i think JoePa should have followed up more, and asked WHY isnt anything being done....however as of now, there is no evidence, that he tried to cover anything up, or get any special treatment for his DC, he went right to the top man at the university and reported what he "heard happened" on the campus by an employee.....the fact that it turned out to be such a haneous (sp) act, and happened on multiple occasions, makes Paterno's ambivolence even more regrettable, and damaging to his legacy....however, we need to remember, he is NOT THE ONE who committed the acts, he didnt hold the information in secret, and then later admit it, he went immediately to report it......

he made mistakes in this process, and due to those mistakes, more young kids were hurt, and his reputation is forever tarnished...i think the fact that he'll have to live his last years know that, and ultimately answer to a higher power, is more punishment than any court would hand him, even if his "non action" was prosecutable, which it doesnt seem to be...but some seem to be mixing that with thinking he is the actual molestor

and i dont thnk any of this should have any effect on the wins he attained at the program.....but thats a minor issue at this point

X-Files · Nov 12, 2011

LoCalDallasBuke said:
I disagree that he did enough - children lives are at stake... what he did was not enough.

Meanwhile, in other news, or not, around 60 million cases of infanticide have occured in USA clinics and hospitals, continues to occur everyday, that is, the same number of deaths during WWII, worldwide.

Legend-I-Aint · Nov 12, 2011

Paterno is getting a bad rap on this one. He did what he was supposed to do. Some of you arm chair QB's should actually take ten minutes and read the indictment. At this point this is a witch hunt for Paterno. He didn't witness anything and what information was given to him, he reported to a supervisor.

lax_gunman · Nov 12, 2011

billhill999 said:
Amen.

Sort of like the military, there is a chain of command, if you are private and you witness or hear something, you report it to your sergeant, you do not go over anybodies head, you tell your boss, you did your job.

Joe heard of something, reported it to his boss, now Joe may not be the squeakiest clean person in NCAA sports, but too many want to crucify him.

So if I go back to my barracks and see a girl being raped by someone who isn't in my platoon(not that it matters). I should go find my squad leader, and if I can't find him I should find my platoon leader, if he isn't around I should look for my 1SG.

Maybe I should just call the fucking MP's instead

CoachLT · Nov 12, 2011

lax_gunman said:
So if I go back to my barracks and see a girl being raped by someone who isn't in my platoon(not that it matters). I should go find my squad leader, and if I can't find him I should find my platoon leader, if he isn't around I should look for my 1SG.

Maybe I should just call the fucking MP's instead

Bowden was a lot more crooked than Paterno. Thje only difference was that Reverend Bowden covered them up better than Paterno. :103631605

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