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Harvard survey: U.S. economy losing competitive edge


Reuters 6:05 a.m. CST, January 18, 2012

The United States is becoming less economically competitive versus other nations, with political gridlock and a weak primary education system seen as the main drag, according to a survey released on Wednesday.

In particular, the nation is falling behind emerging market rivals and just keeping pace with other advanced economies, according to a Harvard Business School survey of 9,750 of its alumni in the United States and 121 other countries.

Seventy-one percent of respondents expected the U.S. to become less competitive, less able to compete in the global economy with U.S. firms less able to pay high wages and benefits, the study found.

The findings come at a time when high unemployment is a major concern for Americans, with 23.7 million out-of-work and underemployed, and the economy the top issue ahead of November's presidential election.

"The U.S. is losing out on business location decisions at an alarming rate" said Michael Porter, a Harvard Business School professor who was a co-author of the study.

U.S. companies, which slashed headcount sharply during the 2007-2009 recession, have been slow to rehire since the downturn's official end and some have continued to cut. This month, Archer Daniels Midland Co, Kraft Foods Inc and Novartis AG all said they would be cutting U.S. jobs this year.

Survey respondents said they remained more likely to move operations out of the United States than back in. Of 1,005 who considered offshoring facilities in the past year, 51 percent decided to move versus just 10 percent who opted to keep their facilities in the country, with the balance not yet decided.

Respondents, graduates of the prestigious business school who were polled from Oct. 4 through Nov. 4, were particularly concerned about how the United States was shaping up versus emerging nations such as China, Brazil and India, with 66 percent saying the United States was falling behind.

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Among respondents who had decided to move operations out of the United States over the past year, 70 percent cited lower wages as the reason they chose a new location, pointing to what is widely seen as emerging markets' main advantage.

While the United States held up better compared to other advanced economies, with about 70 percent saying it was keeping pace competitively, 21 percent said the U.S. was also falling behind other wealthy countries, such as those in Western Europe and Japan.

The United States' main disadvantages compared with other advanced economies were the complexity of its tax code, the ineffectiveness of its political system and the weakness of its educational system from kindergarten through high school.

Higher education fared better, with respondents citing high-quality universities as the nation's top competitive advantage.

Asked what the U.S. government could do to improve its competitive position, respondents top recommendations were to simplify the tax code, reform immigration policies and reduce the corporate tax rate.
 

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The United States' main disadvantages compared with other advanced economies were the complexity of its tax code, the ineffectiveness of its political system and the weakness of its educational system from kindergarten through high school.

No question this is 100% agreeable
 
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They should get rid of corporate tax. Corporates are paying near zero effective tax rate already. The tax receipts from corporation was less than $200 billion last year, getting rid of it would translate to cheaper products and services, beside, the psychological effect for the economy would be massive. 35% tax rate is given foreign investors a false perception about corporate tax in the US, it's misleading...

Fast scan through this doc to see if you can find any company pay more than 5% corporate tax last year....

http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers50states/CorporateTaxDodgers50StatesReport.pdf
 

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They should get rid of corporate tax. Corporates are paying near zero effective tax rate already. The tax receipts from corporation was less than $200 billion last year, getting rid of it would translate to cheaper products and services, beside, the psychological effect for the economy would be massive. 35% tax rate is given foreign investors a false perception about corporate tax in the US, it's misleading...

Fast scan through this doc to see if you can find any company pay more than 5% corporate tax last year....

http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers50states/CorporateTaxDodgers50StatesReport.pdf

I disagree. I think Corporate tax should be near state levies 9-10% but actually enforce it and close loop holes. If anything we should reduce drastically the income tax. I also donmt agree that saving that 200 bil;lion would result on anything tangible to the consumer but instead to just dividends and shareholders. We need small government but the idea of not having any revenues is not the answer. Corporations have a vested interest in this country survival or they dont. Its time to see where loyalties lie.
 

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You can't close loopholes, corporate lobbying army run rampant in DC and they have a great deal of influence over those crooks to have tax code written in their favors.
 
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You don't really need to have much of an "economy" when the government can just "give" you everything you need.

When the burden becomes too great, just default like Greece. Seems simple to me.
 

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I think they should loosen up immigration law too. They should give more incentive to foreigners to own vacation homes in the US, they bring in cash, pay property tax, spend money in the US, win win for everyone. Canucks has been benefiting from its more open immigration law, Vancouver and Toronto is favorite retirement destination for old rich Asian.
 
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I think they should loosen up immigration law too. They should give more incentive to foreigners to own vacation homes in the US, they bring in cash, pay property tax, spend money in the US, win win for everyone. Canucks has been benefiting from its more open immigration law, Vancouver and Toronto is favorite retirement destination for old rich Asian.

Get rid of the borders all together and just open the flood gates. Sounds reasonable. Put everyone on food stamps and have the government take over the housing industry. If you're hungry, just go to the store and take what you want and swipe a government card and send Uncle Sam the bill. No need to work hard anymore. The government soon will provide health care to all. It's like a giant free for all. Free shit is good! It's free.

In a year or two we can just default like Greece. Sounds about right.

Fuck it. Did I mention free smokes and booze too? Gotta have that.
 

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U.S. economy losing competitive edge

This has been happening ever since the 70's we just don't manufacture things anymore, I found a 1947 Almanac at a garage sale and came across these statistics:
TOTAL VALUE ON ALL MANUFACTURING IN 1939 IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS
1. USA 56,828
2. BRITAIN 13,907
3, USSR 9,160
4. JAPAN 5,595
5. CANADA 3,396
6. SWEDEN 1,965
7. ARGENTINA 1,526
8. CHILE 1,267
9. AUSTRALIA 765
10. S. AFRICA 760
* GERMANY UNAVAILABLE

So the US produced more in 1939 than the other top ten countries combined! No wonder the US prevailed in WWII. I wonder what the manufacturing figures would be like today, would the US be in the top 5?

 

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Most first-world countries are losing their competitive edge to "emerging countries". We simply can't compete with slave wages, nor should we want to compete.

One way to help stem the tide of companies moving offshore is to try to buy products manufactured at home. You might pay a little more, but you're keeping your money in the country and there's a good chance you'll get better quality products.

And buying domestically-made goods doesn't require any useless government legislation, which is almost always to biased towards special interests.
 

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Most first-world countries are losing their competitive edge to "emerging countries". We simply can't compete with slave wages, nor should we want to compete.

One way to help stem the tide of companies moving offshore is to try to buy products manufactured at home. You might pay a little more, but you're keeping your money in the country and there's a good chance you'll get better quality products.

And buying domestically-made goods doesn't require any useless government legislation, which is almost always to biased towards special interests.

Well said :103631605
 

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It's a noble idea, it's not working in real life. I'll do what best for my wallet. If American can't compete with the Japs, Germans, Swiss...it's their fucking fault for making shitty cars & appliances...

Fuck the Union too.
 

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It's a noble idea, it's not working in real life. I'll do what best for my wallet. If American can't compete with the Japs, Germans, Swiss...it's their fucking fault for making shitty cars & appliances...

Fuck the Union too.

I would say that was the case for a 20-30 year span. I agree that those two sectors you named were major problems but we make some of the highest quality items in those sectors still.

Ford has really made huge strides and is one of the best stories coming out of the last decade in terms of reviving itself into a power again on the global scale. Weber Grills, Viking Ranges (phenomenal), KitchenAid Mixers

Most products today are pretty equal unless youre shopping at the dollar store and we know where all this shit comes from. So, being things all considered, i myself will pay a bit extra to support my fellow country men, and i would encourage all people of all nations to do the same.
 

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I stop at local Hooters 3-4 times a month, so I do support my fellow country women...

Having said that, I don't take this patriotism feeling as serious as you do. If you run a bad business, it's better off for you just to close your shop. Honda & Toyota both have plants in the US, they support the same number of jobs as Ford & GM combined. The Japs drove right through the recession without any scratches while the American struggled badly. GM would have gone out the automobile business if the government did not step in. They would probably need new bailout if the economy slips back in recession. Taxpayers shouldn't be in the business of bailing out failed business of any kind. The idea of preserving the American brand is totally bullshit. If they go under because they run a shitty business then so be it. Let's the Japs take over automobile industry. If American can't compete with them, then it's better off to work for them. Very simple.
 

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I stop at local Hooters 3-4 times a month, so I do support my fellow country women...

Having said that, I don't take this patriotism feeling as serious as you do. If you run a bad business, it's better off for you just to close your shop. Honda & Toyota both have plants in the US, they support the same number of jobs as Ford & GM combined. The Japs drove right through the recession without any scratches while the American struggled badly. GM would have gone out the automobile business if the government did not step in. They would probably need new bailout if the economy slips back in recession. Taxpayers shouldn't be in the business of bailing out failed business of any kind. The idea of preserving the American brand is totally bullshit. If they go under because they run a shitty business then so be it. Let's the Japs take over automobile industry. If American can't compete with them, then it's better off to work for them. Very simple.

I used Ford as my example for a reason. I don't think anyone here is arguing your last paragraph. I prefer economic Darwinism
 

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Ford is doing surprisingly well in China.

GM ....is not doing so good.
 

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Ford is doing surprisingly well in China.

GM ....is not doing so good.

Hence they should have been left to rot and die and picked off by rivals. GM = syolednra
 
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I stop at local Hooters 3-4 times a month, so I do support my fellow country women...

Having said that, I don't take this patriotism feeling as serious as you do. If you run a bad business, it's better off for you just to close your shop. Honda & Toyota both have plants in the US, they support the same number of jobs as Ford & GM combined. The Japs drove right through the recession without any scratches while the American struggled badly. GM would have gone out the automobile business if the government did not step in. They would probably need new bailout if the economy slips back in recession. Taxpayers shouldn't be in the business of bailing out failed business of any kind. The idea of preserving the American brand is totally bullshit. If they go under because they run a shitty business then so be it. Let's the Japs take over automobile industry. If American can't compete with them, then it's better off to work for them. Very simple.

Your in the stone age dude.....GM just regained its spot as worlds #1 Automaker......Jeep can't build enough wranglers right now....US automakers booming & leaving inferior foriegn companies in the dust & we like it that way....If you like your foriegn shit so much then don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out unless you already are out per your avatar if that is the case then stay out..
 

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