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It used to be Pinny right since they were opening lines and juicing sides?
Is Cantor or whoever else is supplying lines in Vegas just as sharp, or have they been bypassed, or have they been bypassed and caught back up?

And I've always been curious as to how there is not more variance between the offshore openers vs. Vegas openers.
What is the common link that keeps these numbers relatively close?
 
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One thing is that Vegas books look at the offshore numbers before they put their numbers up....for sure the Vegas books have a don best screen or sports options screen in their office...that is fact....
 

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One thing is that Vegas books look at the offshore numbers before they put their numbers up....for sure the Vegas books have a don best screen or sports options screen in their office...that is fact....

I figured it might be that. That is weak, but smart I suppose.
How much are these casinos paying Cantor, etc for lines? If there are discrepancies, Vegas moves toward the offshore number?

Who is providing these opening lines to Pinny, delmar, et al?
 

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I think that Caribsports get a lot of the "wiseguys" action once the lines are released. They went to 2.5 way before anyone else that I know of.
 
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delmar, catalina, pinny grande


I will agree with Your List. Not sure if catalina is that Sharp as they use to be. I think Mr. "A" Shadows Pinny too much. So I can't really give them that Much Credit on their own.
 

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The people with a lot of money in the US still bet with Pinnacle and still move the numbers.
 

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pinnacle still number one imo

sharpest book around and also they lean very hard with their shots.

-murph
 

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Pinny has/had some huge "leans" today in CBB!!
 

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I will agree with Your List. Not sure if catalina is that Sharp as they use to be. I think Mr. "A" Shadows Pinny too much. So I can't really give them that Much Credit on their own.

you know what, you're right. I thought about that as I typed this. It seems like everybody i know there with a pulse is on delay. Sharp book should not use a delay. A delay is a way of saying fuck off. Quit betting. If you get dumb though come back.
 

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I dont get to ck them out as much as in yesteryears but during the free trial at the end of last year Catalina was still sharp as a tack in college football....
 
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Sharp books don't use rollovers or a huge bonus....they take action and pay and collect in a timely manner...
 

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Wanted to open an account with Pinn but they got no horse racing. Guess I ain't joining.
 

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Does anyone know who the guys or computers are that spit out the offshore openers?
 
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When I worked at CRIS, we used two handicappers that we called before putting up overnights for major sports...our head linesman then used that info along with his input and put up opening lines...the owner of CRIS trusted our judgement in putting up any opener that we wanted...I'm guessing Pinny and Olympic did the same....we opened for half limits before opening them up for full limits the following day....any head linesman worth his salt could put up good numbers....a lot of smaller books would just copy our openers....

Out halftime numbers would be put up from whoever was in charge during the day or night... hope this answers some questions that may arise...

Kenny White from Las Vegas had an office which spit out openers and numbers...but I don't know who used them or how the info was given out...
 

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When I worked at CRIS, we used two handicappers that we called before putting up overnights for major sports...our head linesman then used that info along with his input and put up opening lines...the owner of CRIS trusted our judgement in putting up any opener that we wanted...I'm guessing Pinny and Olympic did the same....we opened for half limits before opening them up for full limits the following day....any head linesman worth his salt could put up good numbers....a lot of smaller books would just copy our openers....

Out halftime numbers would be put up from whoever was in charge during the day or night... hope this answers some questions that may arise...

Kenny White from Las Vegas had an office which spit out openers and numbers...but I don't know who used them or how the info was given out...

Thanks! That's awesome info.
Essentially a few of you guys get together and throw out numbers that every other book in the world follows to some degree. That's a crazy amount of power.

How often were you guys questioned on a particular line from another book?
I still find it hard to believe that other shops that put together openers could consistently be close to your numbers.

When you set your openers were you concerned with how that was going to affect your shop getting hit, or did you guys consider the ramifications across other books since most were copying?

Seems like a lot of questions, but I've always been astounded how there haven't been more services providing preliminary openers that differ somewhat significantly from CRIS, etc--before final opening number comes out. And then the numbers would come out at an matched price-much like a market. I guess Matchbook mimics this idea somewhat.
 

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