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How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God
Religious belief drops when analytical thinking rises

Why are some people more religious than others? Answers to this question often focus on the role of culture or upbringing. While these influences are important, new research suggests that whether we believe may also have to do with how much we rely on intuition versus analytical thinking. In 2011 Amitai Shenhav, David Rand and Joshua Greene of Harvard University published a paper showing that people who have a tendency to rely on their intuition are more likely to believe in God. They also showed that encouraging people to think intuitively increased people’s belief in God. Building on these findings, in a recent paper published in Science, Will Gervais and Ara Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia found that encouraging people to think analytically reduced their tendency to believe in God. Together these findings suggest that belief may at least partly stem from our thinking styles.

Gervais and Norenzayan’s research is based on the idea that we possess two different ways of thinking that are distinct yet related. Understanding these two ways, which are often referred to as System 1 and System 2, may be important for understanding our tendency towards having religious faith. System 1 thinking relies on shortcuts and other rules-of-thumb while System 2 relies on analytic thinking and tends to be slower and require more effort. Solving logical and analytical problems may require that we override our System 1 thinking processes in order to engage System 2. Psychologists have developed a number of clever techniques that encourage us to do this. Using some of these techniques, Gervais and Norenzayan examined whether engaging System 2 leads people away from believing in God and religion.

For example, they had participants view images of artwork that are associated with reflective thinking (Rodin’s The Thinker) or more neutral images (Discobulus of Myron). Participants who viewed The Thinker reported weaker religious beliefs on a subsequent survey. However, Gervais and Norenzayan wondered if showing people artwork might have made the connection between thinking and religion too obvious. In their next two studies, they created a task that more subtly primed analytic thinking. Participants received sets of five randomly arranged words (e.g. “high winds the flies plane”) and were asked to drop one word and rearrange the others in order to create a more meaningful sentence (e.g. “the plane flies high”). Some of their participants were given scrambled sentences containing words associated with analytic thinking (e.g. “analyze,” “reason”) and other participants were given sentences that featured neutral words (e.g. “hammer,” “shoes”). After unscrambling the sentences, participants filled out a survey about their religious beliefs. In both studies, this subtle reminder of analytic thinking caused participants to express less belief in God and religion. The researchers found no relationship between participants’ prior religious beliefs and their performance in the study. Analytic thinking reduced religious belief regardless of how religious people were to begin with.

In a final study, Gervais and Norenzayan used an even more subtle way of activating analytic thinking: by having participants fill out a survey measuring their religious beliefs that was printed in either clear font or font that was difficult to read. Prior research has shown that difficult-to-read font promotes analytic thinking by forcing participants to slow down and think more carefully about the meaning of what they are reading. The researchers found that participants who filled out a survey that was printed in unclear font expressed less belief as compared to those who filled out the same survey in the clear font.

These studies demonstrate yet another way in which our thinking tendencies, many of which may be innate, have contributed to religious faith. It may also help explain why the vast majority of Americans tend to believe in God. Since System 2 thinking requires a lot of effort , the majority of us tend to rely on our System 1 thinking processes when possible. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are more prone to believing than being skeptical. According to a 2005 poll by Gallup, 3 out of every 4 Americans hold at least one belief in the paranormal. The most popular of these beliefs are extrasensory perception (ESP), haunted houses, and ghosts. In addition, the results help explain why some of us are more prone to believe that others. Previous research has found that people differ in their tendency to see intentions and causes in the world. These differences in thinking styles could help explain why some of us are more likely to become believers.

Why and how might analytic thinking reduce religious belief? Although more research is needed to answer this question, Gervais and Norenzayan speculate on a few possibilities. For example, analytic thinking may inhibit our natural intuition to believe in supernatural agents that influence the world. Alternatively, analytic thinking may simply cause us to override our intuition to believe and pay less attention to it. It’s important to note that across studies, participants ranged widely in their religious affiliation, gender, and race. None of these variables were found to significantly relate to people’s behavior in the studies.

Gervais and Norenzayan point out that analytic thinking is just one reason out of many why people may or may not hold religious beliefs. In addition, these findings do not say anything about the inherent value or truth of religious beliefs—they simply speak to the psychology of when and why we are prone to believe. Most importantly, they provide evidence that rather than being static, our beliefs can change drastically from situation to situation, without us knowing exactly why.
 

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They are making it far too complicated.

Bottom line is some people live in a closet and some live and/or think outside of it.

After being brought up religiously, taught to believe certain things, and living & doing things the 'right way' by my own choice, I have struggled with my faith the past 2-3 years.

I work with 2 of the most religious men I have ever known.
I've brought up some topics that they cannot even begin to comprehend.
Why?
Because they live in a shell and only see what's around them on a daily basis.

I've approached people with this theory.... What if God/Jesus is the Grownup version of Santa Claus?

When we are kids, we believe some ludicrous things, until we reach a certain age and realize "Wait a minute, there's no way a man with a white beard exists who lives with elves, drives a sleigh, and visits the entire Earth in one night."

We reach that point where we understand that some things just aren't possible as kids, and then eventually as adults.

Unfortunately, it lumps the majority of us right in the middle where we don't know what to believe, and it's kind of scary...
 

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For someone that gets offended by "religious" people that constantly push their thoughts and beliefs onto others, you sure do a great job of doing the same thing with your agenda.

Pretty hypocritical if you ask me...
 

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An interesting study. What's even more interesting is the fact that their thesis can be 100% correct, and yet, God can still exist and one of these religions may be an accurate description of reality -- as the article concedes in the last paragraph "...these findings do not say anything about the inherent value or truth of religious beliefs"

The title of the piece is also a bit ironic given the increasing number of theistsic analytic philosophers in the Western world over the past 40 years. Surely critical thinking didn't cause Plantinga, Swinburne, Van Inwagen, Collins, etc. etc. to lose their faiths.
 
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lol ok

I personally welcome the opinions & beliefs of those who are religious and have no doubts, in hopes that they will convince me of things...

Personally, I believe that it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a theist.

The atheist "goo to you" philosophy is absolutely ludicrous.
 

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How Critical Thinkers Lose Their Faith in God
Religious belief drops when analytical thinking rises

Why are some people more religious than others? Answers to this question often focus on the role of culture or upbringing. While these influences are important, new research suggests that whether we believe may also have to do with how much we rely on intuition versus analytical thinking. In 2011 Amitai Shenhav, David Rand and Joshua Greene of Harvard University published a paper showing that people who have a tendency to rely on their intuition are more likely to believe in God. They also showed that encouraging people to think intuitively increased people’s belief in God. Building on these findings, in a recent paper published in Science, Will Gervais and Ara Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia found that encouraging people to think analytically reduced their tendency to believe in God. Together these findings suggest that belief may at least partly stem from our thinking styles.

Gervais and Norenzayan’s research is based on the idea that we possess two different ways of thinking that are distinct yet related. Understanding these two ways, which are often referred to as System 1 and System 2, may be important for understanding our tendency towards having religious faith. System 1 thinking relies on shortcuts and other rules-of-thumb while System 2 relies on analytic thinking and tends to be slower and require more effort. Solving logical and analytical problems may require that we override our System 1 thinking processes in order to engage System 2. Psychologists have developed a number of clever techniques that encourage us to do this. Using some of these techniques, Gervais and Norenzayan examined whether engaging System 2 leads people away from believing in God and religion.

For example, they had participants view images of artwork that are associated with reflective thinking (Rodin’s The Thinker) or more neutral images (Discobulus of Myron). Participants who viewed The Thinker reported weaker religious beliefs on a subsequent survey. However, Gervais and Norenzayan wondered if showing people artwork might have made the connection between thinking and religion too obvious. In their next two studies, they created a task that more subtly primed analytic thinking. Participants received sets of five randomly arranged words (e.g. “high winds the flies plane”) and were asked to drop one word and rearrange the others in order to create a more meaningful sentence (e.g. “the plane flies high”). Some of their participants were given scrambled sentences containing words associated with analytic thinking (e.g. “analyze,” “reason”) and other participants were given sentences that featured neutral words (e.g. “hammer,” “shoes”). After unscrambling the sentences, participants filled out a survey about their religious beliefs. In both studies, this subtle reminder of analytic thinking caused participants to express less belief in God and religion. The researchers found no relationship between participants’ prior religious beliefs and their performance in the study. Analytic thinking reduced religious belief regardless of how religious people were to begin with.

In a final study, Gervais and Norenzayan used an even more subtle way of activating analytic thinking: by having participants fill out a survey measuring their religious beliefs that was printed in either clear font or font that was difficult to read. Prior research has shown that difficult-to-read font promotes analytic thinking by forcing participants to slow down and think more carefully about the meaning of what they are reading. The researchers found that participants who filled out a survey that was printed in unclear font expressed less belief as compared to those who filled out the same survey in the clear font.

These studies demonstrate yet another way in which our thinking tendencies, many of which may be innate, have contributed to religious faith. It may also help explain why the vast majority of Americans tend to believe in God. Since System 2 thinking requires a lot of effort , the majority of us tend to rely on our System 1 thinking processes when possible. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are more prone to believing than being skeptical. According to a 2005 poll by Gallup, 3 out of every 4 Americans hold at least one belief in the paranormal. The most popular of these beliefs are extrasensory perception (ESP), haunted houses, and ghosts. In addition, the results help explain why some of us are more prone to believe that others. Previous research has found that people differ in their tendency to see intentions and causes in the world. These differences in thinking styles could help explain why some of us are more likely to become believers.

Why and how might analytic thinking reduce religious belief? Although more research is needed to answer this question, Gervais and Norenzayan speculate on a few possibilities. For example, analytic thinking may inhibit our natural intuition to believe in supernatural agents that influence the world. Alternatively, analytic thinking may simply cause us to override our intuition to believe and pay less attention to it. It’s important to note that across studies, participants ranged widely in their religious affiliation, gender, and race. None of these variables were found to significantly relate to people’s behavior in the studies.

Gervais and Norenzayan point out that analytic thinking is just one reason out of many why people may or may not hold religious beliefs. In addition, these findings do not say anything about the inherent value or truth of religious beliefs—they simply speak to the psychology of when and why we are prone to believe. Most importantly, they provide evidence that rather than being static, our beliefs can change drastically from situation to situation, without us knowing exactly why.

Hey Death or Mr Cracker, did you write this ? If you did, good writing. If you didnt write it, credit the author. Plagiarism sucks

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Personally, I believe that it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a theist.

The atheist "goo to you" philosophy is absolutely ludicrous.

It's not any more ludicrous than the "dust to you" philosophy either - if we are going to compare apples of course.
 

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Personally, I believe that it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a theist.

The atheist "goo to you" philosophy is absolutely ludicrous.

I was thinking about this the other day. I can't speak for all atheists but I'm sure some don't believe in God because then they would have to answer for their shortcomings.

People like gays or other people who just don't fit into what they believe is the right way would rather have a disbelief in the afterlife rather than try to live like something they are not.
 

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Whether you dive "all in" to believing in a God and serving that God, or you are on the other end of the spectrum and dont believe in a God at all, I agree it takes faith.

And no matter what you believe, science is defied. Science tells us you cannot make something out of nothing. Matter can change form, but you cant make it out of thin air. So therefore, according to "science", Creationism cant be possible.

But you know what? If thats true, then I guess a "big bang" theory. Or swamp goo theory cant be true either. Those theories still dont explain how gases or other matter we created from nothing.
 

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Personally, I believe that it takes more faith to be an atheist than to be a theist.

The atheist "goo to you" philosophy is absolutely ludicrous.

Not really, this is the latest "cliche" phrase that the theists have been told to pull. Its a nice twist where they no longer try to defend their thesis but try to attack the opposite. Nice change after a few hundred years of the same.....but equally ineffective.
 
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Not really, this is the latest "cliche" phrase that the theists have been told to pull. Its a nice twist where they no longer try to defend their thesis but try to attack the opposite. Nice change after a few hundred years of the same.....but equally ineffective.

Not really. No one told me to pull a phrase as you say, and I'll defend it with critical thinking skills as long as you want to blabber on.
 

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I was thinking about this the other day. I can't speak for all atheists but I'm sure some don't believe in God because then they would have to answer for their shortcomings.

People like gays or other people who just don't fit into what they believe is the right way would rather have a disbelief in the afterlife rather than try to live like something they are not.


I cant possibly disagree with this more. To start with, while not being gay, I cant imagine that someone who is gay "believes" that they are in the wrong. I can only speculate, but dont you think they believe they were made THAT way, by a higher power therefore who is to question THAT, isnt it all love, compassion etc? Perhaps there is a purpose etc etc

I suppose some may feel guilty because they have been told that they dont live in a "right way" but I imagine that in this day and age that they are a minority.

People who suffer due to being in a minority like gays etc would have , imho MORE reason to believe in an afterlife where, if they were 'good' they will be rewarded.
 

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