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RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina voters approved a constitutional amendment today defining marriage solely as a union between a man and a woman, making it the 30th state to adopt such a ban.


With 35 percent of precincts reporting today, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 58 percent of the vote to 42 percent against.


In the final days before the vote, members of President Barack Obama's cabinet expressed support for gay marriage and former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to reject the amendment. Opponents also held marches, ran TV ads and gave speeches, including one by Jay Bakker, son of televangelists Jim Bakker and the late Tammy Faye Bakker.


Meanwhile, supporters had run their own ad campaigns and church leaders urged Sunday congregations to vote for the amendment. The Rev. Billy Graham, who at 93 remains influential even though his last crusade was in 2005, was featured in full-page newspaper ads supporting the amendment.


Both sides spent a combined $3 million on their campaigns.


North Carolina law already bans gay marriage, like nine other states, but an amendment would effectively slam the door shut on same-sex marriages. The amendment also goes beyond state law by voiding other types of domestic unions from carrying legal status, which opponents warn could disrupt protection orders for unmarried couples.


Six states — all in the Northeast except Iowa — and the District of Columbia allow same sex marriages.


The North Carolina amendment was placed on the ballot after Republicans took over control of the state Legislature after the 2010 elections, a role the GOP hadn't enjoyed for 140 years.


Joe Easterling, who described himself as a devout Christian, voted for the amendment at a polling place in Wake Forest.


"I know that some people may argue that the Bible may not necessarily be applicable, or it should not be applicable, on such policy matters. But even looking at nature itself, procreation is impossible without a man and a woman. And because of those things, I think it is important that the state of North Carolina's laws are compatible with the laws of nature but, more importantly, with the laws of God."


Linda Toanone, who voted against the amendment, said people are born gay and it is not their choice.


"We think everybody should have the same rights as everyone else. If you're gay, lesbian, straight — whatever," she said.


North Carolina is the latest presidential swing state to weigh in on gay marriage. Florida, Virginia and Ohio all have constitutional amendments against gay marriage, and Obama's election-year vagueness on gay marriage has come under fresh scrutiny.


Obama, who supports most gay rights, has stopped short of backing gay marriage. Without clarification, he's said for the past year and a half that his personal views on the matter are "evolving."


Education Secretary Arne Duncan broke ranks with the White House on Monday, stating his unequivocal support for same-sex marriage one day after Vice President Joe Biden said he is "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex married couples getting the same rights at heterosexual married couples.


One fault line that could determine the result is generational. Older voters, who tend to be more reliable voters, are expected to back the amendment.


State House Speaker Thom Tillis, a Republican from a Charlotte suburb, said even if the amendment is passed, it will be reversed as today's young adults age.


"It's a generational issue," Tillis told a student group at North Carolina State University in March about the amendment he supports. "If it passes, I think it will be repealed within 20 years."


The amendment also goes beyond state law by voiding other types of domestic unions from carrying legal status, which opponents warn could disrupt protection orders for unmarried couples.


"Also, that amendment is against women, I believe, because also underneath the amendment, other laws are saying that people who aren't married at all, they can't file for domestic abuse cases, if they're living with their significant other. Which is wrong," Toanone said.


In North Carolina, more than 500,000 voters had cast their ballot before today, which was more than the 2008 primary when Obama and Hillary Clinton were fighting for the Democratic presidential nomination. Both sides said that bodes well for them.North Carolina law already bans gay marriage, like nine other states, but an amendment would effectively slam the door shut on same-sex marriages.
 

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Never have understood the logic of the claim that people are born gay. I guess all the drug addicts, poor people, stupid people, and crooks are just born that way. It never seems to be personal adult decisions that lead those down that road.
 

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Never have understood the logic of the claim that people are born gay. I guess all the drug addicts, poor people, stupid people, and crooks are just born that way. It never seems to be personal adult decisions that lead those down that road.

I don't really think being gay is quite the same as being a drug addict or being poor.
 

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the government should not be in the marriage business. Everything should be a civil union and leave the ceremony of marriage up the church. If Repubs were social libertarians and fiscal conservative they would never lose an election. They just get caught up in this nonsense that doesn't help people get a job and keep thier own money
 

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the government should not be in the marriage business. Everything should be a civil union and leave the ceremony of marriage up the church. If Repubs were social libertarians and fiscal conservative they would never lose an election. They just get caught up in this nonsense that doesn't help people get a job and keep thier own money
That about sums it up.
 

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care to expand on this??? lets hear why this is good
Good thing we live in a Republic. Hopefully republicanism works and a representative some where over turns this.
Democracy = Majority forces their views on the individual
Republic = The individual is protected from the majority
 

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all this does is create a nightmare of legal woes for the state of NC that the taxpayers ending up getting saddled with....

once again religion is the cause of all evil in this world...I wonder who backed this like it was life or death
 

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the government should not be in the marriage business. Everything should be a civil union and leave the ceremony of marriage up the church. If Repubs were social libertarians and fiscal conservative they would never lose an election. They just get caught up in this nonsense that doesn't help people get a job and keep thier own money

I don't agree with this point of view at all.

Being married impacts many benefits including tax benefits, inheritance, survivor's benefits, health insurance and pension benefits. These items are government issues.
 

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further as another poster mentioned the Govt should have ZERO role in marriage other than recording documents prepared by authorized parties such as notaries, judges, etc....
 

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yes you are correct...but the role should be limited to that only...

I don't agree with this point of view at all.

Being married impacts many benefits including tax benefits, inheritance, survivor's benefits, health insurance and pension benefits. These items are government issues.
 

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I don't really think being gay is quite the same as being a drug addict or being poor.



Missed my point. The being born a certain way is a lame excuse. I don't agree with homosexuality, but as long it's not being forced on me or my family with PDA, I could care less. I raise my children teaching them that it is wrong, which I see that being within the means of certain standards of parenting.
 

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people....trynot to get caught up on what the thing is....focus on the what roles the govt should have and should not have.....homos are here to stay...if you like them or not whatever....what you shouldnt like is the government creating a second class citizen base....

these people are going to be in limbo their whole lives and for what??? how is the greater good served by making their lives harder??? I just dont get it
 

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people....trynot to get caught up on what the thing is....focus on the what roles the govt should have and should not have.....homos are here to stay...if you like them or not whatever....what you shouldnt like is the government creating a second class citizen base....

these people are going to be in limbo their whole lives and for what??? how is the greater good served by making their lives harder??? I just dont get it

What I like is a state and its voters being able to determine what they want in their state whether you like it or not. One of the founding principles of our great nation. It is what it is.
 

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