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    Of course there was a coverup, and of course Paterno took part in it or gave tacit approval of it. The members of the Penn State community who have their priorities straight -- of which I'm sure there are many -- need to demand that the statue of Paterno be removed.
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    This is pretty amazing. I really gave Paterno every benefit of the doubt that he didn't cover this up. But it's pretty obvious he was as gulty as sin. PSU is really in some hot water. The lawsuits that are going to now come from this are going to be outrageous. They better start opening their wallets...I've got to admit I've never been a Paterno fan ever since he made that statement back in the early 80's that "he didn't want to leave college football to the Barry Switzer's of the world." That hit a little too close to home for me. Amazing how stupid statements like that can come back to bite you in the ass. Lucky that Joe Pedahelper is dead so he doesn't have to face this embarassement.
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    I think he might have offed himself. Not taken medicine, etc. He knew this was coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSooners View Post
    that statement back in the early 80's that "he didn't want to leave college football to the Barry Switzer's of the world."
    Between Paterno and Switzer, who would have guessed Barry would be the one who was more ethical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YourAllAmerican View Post
    Between Paterno and Switzer, who would have guessed Barry would be the one who was more ethical?
    Switzer pretty much got his revenge on Paterno when OU spanked Penn State to win the national championship back in the mid 80's. But I was just surprised at the time to hear Paterno make that kind of statement. Because of the possible repucussions, you very seldom hear coaches on a national level say those kinds of things about other coaches. But Paterno was pretty much untouchable back then.
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    Two side stories to this mess.

    1) Mothers....do you want your kids going to Penn State to play football right now?

    2) Has Bill O'Brien ask himself what the hell have I gotten myself into?
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    Passing away was the best thing that couldve happened to Joe Pa. What a coward thing to do.
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    Penn St. should get the serious consequences. I would say this cover up is worthy of a 10 year ban from college football.
    To much money involved for something like that to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoSooners View Post
    This is pretty amazing. I really gave Paterno every benefit of the doubt that he didn't cover this up. But it's pretty obvious he was as gulty as sin. PSU is really in some hot water. The lawsuits that are going to now come from this are going to be outrageous. They better start opening their wallets...I've got to admit I've never been a Paterno fan ever since he made that statement back in the early 80's that "he didn't want to leave college football to the Barry Switzer's of the world." That hit a little too close to home for me. Amazing how stupid statements like that can come back to bite you in the ass. Lucky that Joe Pedahelper is dead so he doesn't have to face this embarassement.
    Couldnt agree more...It will be a long time before PSU recovers, if they ever do from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrapGame View Post
    Penn St. should get the serious consequences. I would say this cover up is worthy of a 10 year ban from college football.
    To much money involved for something like that to happen.
    And there is the State of Pennsylvania politics involved (big time "stuff"). Penn State football will be back because of enertia alone not to mention the "Happy Valley" allure.
    And, people frpm Pennsylvania drink a lot (all the way from Philedelphia to Pittsburg and all points in between (not everyone in that State are Quakers.
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    They will dig-in and state we have noo need to paay the price for the sins of a few others.
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    afterr today's events the NCAA has to shut this program down. I say close it up for 3 years then allow them back in for 2016 season and they have to play Pitt in the opener.
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    what's crazy is the Paterno family decides to release a letter Joe Pa wrote before he died to say how the sandusky situation should in no way diminish what he accomplished in 5 decades? are you fucking serious?

    then today, Schultz's lawyer was asked what he thought of the Freeh report. his answer? "I don't expect I'll be reading it for a while," said attorney Tom Farrell. "I've got other things to do."

    the sickness at Ass-slappy Valley will continue unless this program is closed up
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    NBC Sports has already published an article advocating the death penalty.

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...llege_football

    the first of many?
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    sick sick sick, they will all burn in hell
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide View Post
    what's crazy is the Paterno family decides to release a letter Joe Pa wrote before he died to say how the sandusky situation should in no way diminish what he accomplished in 5 decades? are you fucking serious?

    then today, Schultz's lawyer was asked what he thought of the Freeh report. his answer? "I don't expect I'll be reading it for a while," said attorney Tom Farrell. "I've got other things to do."

    the sickness at Ass-slappy Valley will continue unless this program is closed up
    It's EVERYONE in the state that should be ashamed because they they supported what happened, instead of what should have happened or what should have been done but wasn't. Even today, the donations at PSU for its football program are at an all-time high. It's EVERYONE!! Hardly a soul in the entire state even bothers to look away. And if they do exist, where are those people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conan View Post
    It's EVERYONE in the state that should be ashamed because they they supported what happened, instead of what should have happened or what should have been done but wasn't. Even today, the donations at PSU for its football program are at an all-time high. It's EVERYONE!! Hardly a soul in the entire state even bothers to look away. And if they do exist, where are those people?
    well i assume you mean everyone affiliated with the school, not the entire state. (in case you don't know we're a heavily split state of PSU haters and PSU lovers...me being the former). Anyway, if you meant affiliated with the school you're exactly right. they said psu had the 2nd highest amt of donations in football last year...freaking ridiculous. even yesterday, a group of PSU students were kneeling and praying outside of joe pa's house. they're complete lunatics. The only former player I've heard condemning joe pa is lavar arrington who was a staunch supporter of his until about 10am yesterday. Millen, Franco, Ham, Short, Brady, and the rest of these nitter nutters can rot in fn hell with their lord and savior, joe pa

    i personally donate to pitt every year...wife was a grad and i'm a supporter. but, i'd certainly suspend all donations if anything like this occurred at the program. i wouldn't INCREASE my donation like a nutty nitter. i broke my promise of never entering state college last sept when bama was in town but glad i got to see them kick joe pa's ass into the grave
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    and, btw, it pisses me off that it's my tax money that will be used to defend these cocksuckers in court...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rolltide View Post
    well i assume you mean everyone affiliated with the school, not the entire state. (in case you don't know we're a heavily split state of PSU haters and PSU lovers...me being the former). Anyway, if you meant affiliated with the school you're exactly right. they said psu had the 2nd highest amt of donations in football last year...freaking ridiculous. even yesterday, a group of PSU students were kneeling and praying outside of joe pa's house. they're complete lunatics. The only former player I've heard condemning joe pa is lavar arrington who was a staunch supporter of his until about 10am yesterday. Millen, Franco, Ham, Short, Brady, and the rest of these nitter nutters can rot in fn hell with their lord and savior, joe pa

    i personally donate to pitt every year...wife was a grad and i'm a supporter. but, i'd certainly suspend all donations if anything like this occurred at the program. i wouldn't INCREASE my donation like a nutty nitter. i broke my promise of never entering state college last sept when bama was in town but glad i got to see them kick joe pa's ass into the grave
    That's right. As one who wouldn't equate Pitt or anything about Pitt with PSU, I wound up overstating the situation a bit, but you got my intention right. I'd normally have to take a step back to see both schools in the same region, normally I wouldn't see them that way... perhaps slightly challenged geographically on account of places like Punxatawney that confuse me even further.

    Hearing you mention Lavar Arrington switching up on the issue does me good to hear about it. It also adds perhaps TOO MUCH credibility to the PSU community FWIW.... but good for him. At least there's one man in PSU land that can think and chew gum simultaneosly. I am disgusted with the entire football community's response, runnning to the side of the sexual deviate and hearing next to nothing about concern for the victims. Remind me to stay away from that place.

    By the way, JoPa's been covering up crap of all types for many years. There was a piece on his players in "Between the Lines" or maybe it was on ESPN a few years ago that I found and posted here. The special was about the rising rate of delinquency amongst PSU players over the previous few years. JoPa called it a witch-hunt in his own inimical style. That turned me off to the man way back when. His reaction smelled pretty foul.

    Did you know that PSU is one of the few schools never to have been called out by the NCAA for any infraction? Perhaps the fear to stand up to him runs a lot deeper than we know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conan View Post
    It's EVERYONE in the state that should be ashamed because they they supported what happened, instead of what should have happened or what should have been done but wasn't. Even today, the donations at PSU for its football program are at an all-time high. It's EVERYONE!! Hardly a soul in the entire state even bothers to look away. And if they do exist, where are those people?
    This is likely one of the dumbest statements I have heard on this board, I expect more from you Conan. The supporters of this university, which I am not, certainly had no idea this was taking place. Your talking about an institution of hundreds of thousands alumni, billions of revenue generated for the state and countless accounts of the university strengthen this city, community and state.

    Like I said, I'm not a supporter, but I do have a responsibility to hire, and we hire heavy Penn State. What happened is unreal, and my personal opinion would be to prosecute those involved in the cover up to the letter of the law, including Paterno. Tear the statue down, erase the records, and put the other assholes in prison as accomplices. However, your talking about 6-8 people from a major corporation of hundreds of thousands. To chastise the entire university is foolish, naive and apparently the thing to do over drinks, the water cooler, on sports forums or at dining outings.

    In the local community its somewhat hilarious that the most noise of "shut the place down", "force them to close their doors", " change the name of the school", comes from local alumni of other universities. I can see why, having to hire people for many years in this state, nine times out of ten, a PSU candidate versus any other state school, all else being equal, makes the competitor obsolete. The difference in academic prowess and day one readiness to enter the workforce is incredible. For this fact, and this fact alone my company will send another huge check to Penn State, and I fully support that. This is my livelihood and I won't sacrifice it for a handful of criminals. Hell, if I disregarded the masses for a few, in this city, everyone would be disregarded.

    Outside of Penn and Villanova, whom most of their graduates go out of state anyway for higher paying jobs, Penn State replenishes the work force. The 100,000 legitimate people associated with this university should not be punished to the one bad egg. I hear you, drop the hammer on these six-eight assholes involved in the cover up, but to chastise the entire university is foolish. Christ, if I'm forced to hire Pitt, LaSalle, St. Joes, Rutgers, Temple, Kutztown, Shippensburg and Rider grads because Penn State was forced to shut their doors - this community has a problem. If I'm forced to go out of state we have an even bigger problem - I have seen candidates on paper who mirror Penn State grads from some big "name" schools (football schools) who were better equipped to bag my groceries then work at my company.

    Take a step back, view the big picture. This isn't about football and to talk of shutting down one of the premier universities in the country is utterly ridiculous.
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    Yea its bad,but the cover up that our government is doing is worse. Raising taxes,Letting more illegals to take our jobs,letting prisoners go because our prisons are over crowded.Letting foriegners collect welfare and health benefits while our senior citizens starve and lose their houses!Yes noone says anything about that thou!
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    ERock, just show me what the dissenters are saying. Where are they saying it and please post a link. Maybe it's just that my normal reads are not reporting both sides of the issue, yahoo, nbc, cbs, espn etc. So make it known and I'll ignore the derogatory remarks. But all I've been seeing are people rallying to the side of the University, the football program and JoPa himself with candlelight vigils in his front yard etc. Pretty disgusting.

    By the way, it may not be about the PSU players but it IS about the staff of the football program. You can't deny that is part of the game... the coaches etc.

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    This is likely one of the dumbest statements I have heard on this board, I expect more from you Conan. The supporters of this university, which I am not, certainly had no idea this was taking place. Your talking about an institution of hundreds of thousands alumni, billions of revenue generated for the state and countless accounts of the university strengthen this city, community and state.

    Like I said, I'm not a supporter, but I do have a responsibility to hire, and we hire heavy Penn State. What happened is unreal, and my personal opinion would be to prosecute those involved in the cover up to the letter of the law, including Paterno. Tear the statue down, erase the records, and put the other assholes in prison as accomplices. However, your talking about 6-8 people from a major corporation of hundreds of thousands. To chastise the entire university is foolish, naive and apparently the thing to do over drinks, the water cooler, on sports forums or at dining outings.

    In the local community its somewhat hilarious that the most noise of "shut the place down", "force them to close their doors", " change the name of the school", comes from local alumni of other universities. I can see why, having to hire people for many years in this state, nine times out of ten, a PSU candidate versus any other state school, all else being equal, makes the competitor obsolete. The difference in academic prowess and day one readiness to enter the workforce is incredible. For this fact, and this fact alone my company will send another huge check to Penn State, and I fully support that. This is my livelihood and I won't sacrifice it for a handful of criminals. Hell, if I disregarded the masses for a few, in this city, everyone would be disregarded.

    Outside of Penn and Villanova, whom most of their graduates go out of state anyway for higher paying jobs, Penn State replenishes the work force. The 100,000 legitimate people associated with this university should not be punished to the one bad egg. I hear you, drop the hammer on these six-eight assholes involved in the cover up, but to chastise the entire university is foolish. Christ, if I'm forced to hire Pitt, LaSalle, St. Joes, Rutgers, Temple, Kutztown, Shippensburg and Rider grads because Penn State was forced to shut their doors - this community has a problem. If I'm forced to go out of state we have an even bigger problem - I have seen candidates on paper who mirror Penn State grads from some big "name" schools (football schools) who were better equipped to bag my groceries then work at my company.

    Take a step back, view the big picture. This isn't about football and to talk of shutting down one of the premier universities in the country is utterly ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ERockMoney View Post
    However, your talking about 6-8 people from a major corporation of hundreds of thousands. To chastise the entire university is foolish, naive and apparently the thing to do over drinks, the water cooler, on sports forums or at dining outings.


    Take a step back, view the big picture. This isn't about football and to talk of shutting down one of the premier universities in the country is utterly ridiculous.
    this is the exact insane nitter mentality i'm talking about. this is totally about football. it's the deifying of a football coach that allowed this to happen. it's the record setting football booster donations in 2011 that shows it's a cultural problem at the university, not just the idiot actions of 6-8 people. Why did they do this stuff? so that the football program and joe's legacy wouldn't be tarnished...so they could recruit as normal and keep collecting donations at a record setting pace.

    Think about Enron. Yeah 5-6 guys pulled the strings but thousands of others were part of the problem and never thought to ask "wtf are we doing" when shutting down power in CA just to up the prices.

    anyone that doesn't think this is a football issue is insane or just a kool-aid drinking nitter. if this was the assistant tennis coach would they have covered it up? hell no! they needed the football program to keep it's squeaky clean image (which is complete bullshit) and keep that little town, and joe pa, isolated from the real world.

    the students praying on joe pa's lawn and worshiping his statue last night, the comments made by kyle brady and matt millen, and the thousands of facebook posts telling us to "leave joe out of out because he's dead and can't defend himself" explains how delusional these people are and how nothing can change without a DRASTIC shift in mentality. That shift can only take place by shutting down the football program (not the entire athletic dept or university) for a few years and giving things a fresh start with hopefully a more realistic view of the importance of football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mokoman View Post
    Yea its bad,but the cover up that our government is doing is worse. Raising taxes,Letting more illegals to take our jobs,letting prisoners go because our prisons are over crowded.Letting foriegners collect welfare and health benefits while our senior citizens starve and lose their houses!Yes noone says anything about that thou!
    Take it to the political forum... or the comments section of any Yahoo news story ever posted. The topic of this thread is specifically Penn State.
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    What a fool I was.

    In 1986, I spent a week in State College, Pa., researching a 10-page Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year piece on Joe Paterno.

    It was supposed to be a secret, but one night the phone in my hotel room rang. It was a Penn State professor, calling out of the blue.

    "Are you here to take part in hagiography?" he said.

    "What's hagiography?" I asked.

    "The study of saints," he said. "You're going to be just like the rest, aren't you? You're going to make Paterno out to be a saint. You don't know him. He'll do anything to win. What you media are doing is dangerous."

    Jealous egghead, I figured.

    What an idiot I was. Twenty-five years later, when former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky was accused of a 15-year reign of pedophilia on young boys, I thought Paterno was too old and too addled to understand, too grandfatherly and Catholic to get that Sandusky was committing grisly crimes using Paterno's own football program as bait.

    But I was wrong. Paterno knew. He knew all about it. He'd known for years. He knew and he followed it vigilantly.

    That's all clear now after Penn State's own investigator, former FBI director Louis Freeh, came out Thursday and hung the whole disgusting canvas on a wall for us. Showed us the emails, read us the interviews, shined a black light on all of the lies they left behind. It cost $6.5 million and took eight months and the truth it uncovered was 100 times uglier than the bills.

    Paterno knew about a mother's cry that Sandusky had molested her son in 1998. Later, Paterno lied to a grand jury and said he didn't. Paterno and university president Graham Spanier and vice president Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley all knew what kind of sick coach they had on the payroll in Sandusky. Schultz warned them. "Is this opening of pandora's box?" he wrote them in emails. "Other children?" "Sexual improprieties?"

    It gets worse. According to Freeh, Spanier, Schultz and Curley were set to call child services on Sandusky in February 2001 until Paterno apparently talked them out of it. Curley wasn't "comfortable" going to child services after that talk with JoePa.

    Yeah, that's the most important thing, your comfort.

    What'd they do instead? Alerted nobody. Called nobody. And let Sandusky keep leading his horrific tours around campus. "Hey, want to see the showers?" That sentence alone ought to bring down the statue.

    What a stooge I was.

    I talked about Paterno's "true legacy" in all of this. Here's his true legacy: Paterno let a child molester go when he could've stopped him. He let him go and then lied to cover his sinister tracks. He let a rapist go to save his own recruiting successes and fundraising pitches and big-fish-small-pond hide.

    Here's a legacy for you. Paterno's cowardice and ego and fears allowed Sandusky to molest at least eight more boys in the years after that 1998 incident -- Victims 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 8, 9 and 10. Just to recap: By not acting, a grown man failed to protect eight boys from years of molestation, abuse and self-loathing, all to save his program the embarrassment. The mother of Victim 1 is "filled with hatred toward Joe Paterno," the victim's lawyer says. "She just hates him, and reviles him." Can you blame her?

    What a sap I was.

    I hope Penn State loses civil suits until the walls of the accounting office cave in. I hope that Spanier, Schultz and Curley go to prison for perjury. I hope the NCAA gives Penn State the death penalty it most richly deserves. The worst scandal in college football history deserves the worst penalty the NCAA can give. They gave it to SMU for winning without regard for morals. They should give it to Penn State for the same thing. The only difference is, at Penn State they didn't pay for it with Corvettes. They paid for it with lives.

    What a chump I was.

    I tweeted that, yes, Paterno should be fired, but that he was, overall, "a good and decent man." I was wrong. Good and decent men don't do what Paterno did. Good and decent men protect kids, not rapists. And to think Paterno comes from "father" in Italian.

    This throws a can of black paint on anything anybody tells me about Paterno from here on in. "No NCAA violations in all those years." I believe it. He was great at hiding stuff. "He gave $4 million to the library." In exchange for what? "He cared about kids away from the football field." No, he didn't. Not all of them. Not when it really mattered.

    What a tool I was.

    As Joe Paterno lay dying, I actually felt sorry for him. Little did I know he was taking all of his dirty secrets to the grave. Nine days before he died, he had The Washington Post's Sally Jenkins in his kitchen. He could've admitted it then. Could've tried a simple "I'm sorry." But he didn't. Instead, he just lied deeper. Right to her face. Right to all of our faces.

    That professor was right, all those years ago. I was engaging in hagiography. So was that school. So was that town. It was dangerous. Turns out it builds monsters.

    Not all of them ended up in prison.
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