i knew armstrong was guilty

gtc08 · Aug 24, 2012

no way he would quit fighting and lose his rep if he knew it wouldnt come out down the road. he was just hoping they would give up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cycling-life-stripped-Tour-France-titles.html

REDEYE · Aug 24, 2012

Doesn't change my opinion that he gave up the fight..You can't keep spending your whole life spending alot of money fighting a witch hunt.. Until I see a positive drug test I think he is innocent..

GoBlue34 · Aug 24, 2012

RED EYE said:
Doesn't change my opinion that he gave up the fight..You can't keep spending your whole life spending alot of money fighting a witch hunt.. Until I see a positive drug test I think he is innocent..

Pretty much my opinion as well. This does not say he IS guilty necessarily, but since he isn't racing any longer he finally said fuck it and moved on with his life. I don't blame him either. Not sure if the money spent defending this was worth the return.

DrunkenHorseplayer · Aug 24, 2012

Perfect justice; the USADA should take over baseball.

HacheMan · Aug 24, 2012

The French-Haters have been after him so long they are treating this as a holiday.

TomGshotput · Aug 24, 2012

RED EYE said:
Doesn't change my opinion that he gave up the fight..You can't keep spending your whole life spending alot of money fighting a witch hunt.. Until I see a positive drug test I think he is innocent..

Bonds, McGwire and Clemens never failed drug tests

thekid78 · Aug 24, 2012

Anyone who doesn't think he used PEDs is a complete moron. Seriously

RunLeeRun · Aug 24, 2012

TomGshotput said:
Bonds, McGwire and Clemens never failed drug tests

So, Napoleon law it is.

RunLeeRun · Aug 24, 2012

thekid78 said:
Anyone who doesn't think he used PEDs is a complete moron. Seriously

think and know are not the same.

REDEYE · Aug 24, 2012

TomGshotput said:
Bonds, McGwire and Clemens never failed drug tests

Don't think there were drug tests for Bonds etc. ,,to me it was alot more obvious with the baseball players you mentioned.. Bonds head went to twice its normal size

steaktartar · Aug 24, 2012

if he was innocent hed fight.........awe fuck it strip me of the my tour de france titles........bullshit

thekid78 · Aug 24, 2012

There were TEN former teammates that were going to testify for USADA that Armstrong used PEDs. TEN! People want to believe he's innocent because of what he has done for cancer with his foundation. Time to separate the two issues. He's a cheat. He's also done amazing things for cancer research. He can be both.

GoSooners · Aug 24, 2012

thekid78 said:
There were TEN former teammates that were going to testify for USADA that Armstrong used PEDs. TEN! People want to believe he's innocent because of what he has done for cancer with his foundation. Time to separate the two issues. He's a cheat. He's also done amazing things for cancer research. He can be both.

I used to think he was innocent too. The witnesses/teammates who came forward that had nothing to gain by their testimony were the gamechanger for me.

BAGIANT · Aug 24, 2012

If he did use blood doping....at least he was on a level playing field with the other "dopers".

HacheMan · Aug 24, 2012

BAGIANT said:
If he did use blood doping....at least he was on a level playing field with the other "dopers".

Exactly!

DrunkenHorseplayer · Aug 24, 2012

Cheating in order to level the playing field is still cheating.

TomGshotput · Aug 24, 2012

RunLeeRun said:
TomGshotput said:

Bonds, McGwire and Clemens never failed drug tests

Click to expand...

So, Napoleon law it is.

Or we could base judgements on all the evidence rather than small fragments of evidence

REDEYE · Aug 24, 2012

It would be kinda nice to see everyone involved take a lie detector test and see the results.......

thekid78 · Aug 24, 2012

People beat lie detector tests all the time. There is a reason they aren't allowed in court rooms. Pretty unreliable actually

REDEYE · Aug 24, 2012

thekid78 said:
People beat lie detector tests all the time. There is a reason they aren't allowed in court rooms. Pretty unreliable actually

You could get a pretty good idea of who is telling the truth with this big sampling of people, but yea you can't use lie detectors in court, but you sure can use 150 drug tests that were passed... How do you answer that ?