Dan Henderson injures a knee and has to withdraw...Chael Sonnen volunteers as a replacement (of course another title shot) and Jon Jones punks out and refuses,:>( leaving fans, promoters and other fighters out in the cold! I used be a fan of this guy...now I hate him cant wait for someone to beat his ass!!
Profesional or not Jones would beat Sonnen blindfolded, he did not want to fight Machida In UFC 152 be cause he considered it high risk low reward! Machida turned it down anyway now its Belfort, the UFC is turning into a big clusterfuck and talent is running low, bottom line Jones would be nothing if it weren't for the fans!!! the people who attend all MMA events have made it what it is today! bottom line JONES IS A PUSSY he was AFRAID to get hit by Machida in their last fight, I wanted Hendo to drop bombs on his ass ... sorry guys but I'm very disgusted with the UFC in general hope nobody takes it personal!
Jake is right, the guy fights for the UFC. When he fights, they make tons of money. He doesn't owe them anything just like LeBron James doesn't owe the Heat anything. They (organization/team) are more then compensated for his services when he plays/fights.
You are a fighter, you fight for yourself. You don't fight for an organization, for the other guys on the card.
FWIW, If I were Jones though I'd probably buy like 8k worth of simon mall gift cards and give 500 each to the other 16 guys on the card though just for the good PR of it (People saying guys need the $ with kids going back to school, etc)
UFC and NBA are apples and oranges, no comparison and by the way UFC fighters get paid on PPV ratings...hence low PPV ratings= smaller paychecks, this has nothing to do being liked or hated for example Brock Lesnar was hated but had huge PPV ratings because he delivered! he beat the shit out of people and is to this day UFC's biggest earner ever,as opposed to Jones who is the best right now but not the most exciting to watch, now watch what happens to his paychecks after this... youll see him go down the drain, and THAT he will owe to the fans, he definitely lost me as a fan... as long as he is on the main card I'll wait and watch it on YOUTUBE
I am pretty sure that most of Jon Jones' checks that he has made millions from are paid out by Zuffa/UFC. They give him the opportunity to fight and make money so he does fight for the organization. (you actually admitted it in the first sentence then denied it later???) Dana said sure we can't make him fight without an signed bout agreement, but they sure as hell can part ways with him and he would then go to a small peanuts organization like Bellator.
lol, yeah they're gonna part ways with 1 of the best fighters in the world. That would be an awesome business strategy for them....
You don't owe the organization anything, you fight for a living. UFC makes plenty of money when he fights, doesn't mean they can make him fight whenever/whoever they want.
I don't think you understand how I was saying "you don't fight for an organization" it obviously wasn't in the literal sense, you must be confused.
He isn't a slave, sorry. Get over it...
i think the blame is 100% on dana. He put a bad card together that couldn't survive when the main event collapsed. Jones was preparing for a guy that is all stand up and then they want to throw a guy in there that is all wrestling on 8 days notice. Also, since Sonnen has been in the UFC he is 5-3 not exactly spectacular. In his last 5 fights he is 3-2 coming off a loss his last fight at 185 so how do you possibly consider giving him a title shot at 205. dana talks about how guys need to earn their shots and fight their way to the top, I guess he means for guys other than Chael. Chael's an elite talker but not an elite fighter. He's a decent fighter in a weak division (other than Silva). I've never been a Jones fan and probably never will but I see no blame on him for not fighting Sonnen.
Jones does have too much leverage at this point to be cut. Higher level guys have more say so in bout agreements. Lower level guys usually have to go with what the UFC matchmaker puts in front of them because they are trying to stay with the company and get close to title contention.
In my post I acknowledged (as Dana did) the UFC can't force fights, and I don't think Jones or any fighter is a "slave" The thing is though Jones had a camp and was in shape and ready to fight. Henderson got hurt and they found Chael as a replacement. If Jones said yes, then card saved...PPV & gate $ saved...ad's/promo not wasted and undercard fighters paid (even if the UFC is stupid for too many watered down cards etc...)
Jones had a chance to do a FAVOR (not forced!!!) for his company that gave him the opportunity to become rich. He chose not to which is his right. I just think Chael was not a HUGE threat to beat Jones and even if he did, Jones could have stipulated an immediate rematch/share of PPV $ etc... He should have had the confidence to fight Chael, beat him and he would have made a lot of hay for himself with the UFC and fans IMO.
Oh: "UFC makes plenty of money when he fights" Dana and I agree with you...THAT'S WHY WE WANTED HIM TO STILL FIGHT!!!
Would he of really made that much hay if he took the fight? I doubt it. The guy has fought way more than the other top P4P guys in the last 18 months. He fought like 4 times last year...It was low reward high risk.
I dunno, I don't really blame him much. Its not his fault they do 20 shows a year now instead of 12 to the point that they stretch it so thin. Look at the undercard on that card, it was so beyond pathetic.
Once again this is a forum for people to post their opinions, not to be taken personal, I have no intent on insulting anyone including Jon Jones, as for you I've read some of your posts on this forum and it seems you like to argue, If you don't like what I posted than just ignore the thread
Agree many times over with you. MMA is at its all time weakest, regarding fighters (talents/prime). Jones beat one good fighter in my mind and that's Machida. The rest (especially rampage/Rua) have been done for some time. They are all at their ends. Long careers & damaged bodies............Jones beat the names, which makes him look much better than he is. Good fighter, no doubt. But, the division is at its all time low. He would never move to HW, he has no chance there. So they will keep him where he is at, a place with no where to go.
Lol not sure if you are serious.....This dude would be -250, -300 atleast over any LHW in their prime including Tito, 'Page, Liddell, Randy, etc...Gimme a break. I'm being generous too because honestly, those guys would have no shot.
Division at its all time low....They said the samething when Roy Jones was knocking people out left and right.
I love how Rua is washed up now, he was the champ when he beat him. Rashad Evans is obviously still a very good fighter....
THEY SAY I AIN'T BEAT NOBODY, I JUST MAKE EM LOOK LIKE NOBODY
Disagree with you on this one.........if he fought rampage/henderson/rua/tito/&randy in their prime, he would win 1 of those at most. Much tougher back then and some fought in different classes, something Jones has no balls to do. All those fighters I mentioned all fought during their prime, only Machida is in his and that to me is all Jones can show for it. Not JJ's fault, just the luck of the draw in the time he got in.
