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    BUT JOE KNEW




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    So, as I have said for 5 years, no one at Penn State will ever face trial for covering up the McQueary episode, BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!

    Curley, Schultz, and Spanier’s Failure To Report Charges Dropped, Trial Set

    By Sara Civian on February 1, 2017 at 3:30 pm




    Former Penn State administrators Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, and Graham Spanier’s failure to report child abuse charges were dropped today, according to a Dauphin County court order.


    The only charge that remains of the original six is endangering the welfare of children. The most serious charges, obstruction of justice and conspiracy, were dropped last January. Perjury charges against Schultz and Spanier were also dropped after testimony from former General Counsel Cynthia Baldwin was ruled inadmissible.
    Jury selection is set for Monday, March 20 at 8:30 a.m., and trial is scheduled for immediately after jury selection. It has taken five years to get to this trial.
    You can view the whole court order here. Here’s the part where Failure To Report is dropped:http://onwardstate.com/2017/02/01/cu...ped-trial-set/
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    Next week, almost exactly six years after the “Jerry Sandusky Scandal” broke publicly with a grand jury leak to a local newspaper, three former Penn State administrators will finally go on trial for charges related to an alleged cover-up of child sex abuse. To a very large extent, all three, Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, and Gary Schultz, have already been convicted by the news media and the eagerness of some at Penn State University to save their own personal hides by taking blame for things that there is no evidence or logic indicating they ever happened. Consequently, I believe (as do several others extremely close to the defense team) that there is a very good chance that they will be unfairly convicted. As was proven by the utterly nonsensical verdict in the civil trial of Mike McQueary (the former Penn State assistant football coach who finally claimed, ten years after the event happened, with the incorrect date/month/year, that he witnessed Sandusky sexually abusing a boy in a Penn State shower), the jury pool in Pennsylvania is just too polluted on this topic for justice to easily prevail. While I have no connection to Penn State, for most of the past six years I have made the biggest mistake of my entire life/career and have investigated the whole case more thoroughly and objectively than anyone else of which I am aware. Among many things, I am the only person to extensively interview Sandusky himself on the record (for about six hours in prison, on two different occasions) and the only media person I know of who radically changed their mind about what really happened here, AGAINST their own self-interest. I am absolutely positive that these Penn State administrators, all of whom had sterling reputations before the scandal broke and everyone’s incentives suddenly dramatically flipped, are totally innocent. In short, I see them as the guys who were responsible for the safety the Loch Ness in Scotland and are now charged with letting the Loch Ness Monster roam free. However, political factors and fear of the news media won’t allow them to even argue that there was never even any Loch Ness Monster to begin with (I am also quite confident, based on extensive direct and indirect communication with them, that all three agree that there was no “monster,” as do many other prominent people closely connected to the case). There are many very good reasons that the case against these three is baseless. Foremost among them is that McQueary was never even remotely treated as the only witness in a cover-up would have been, and he never claimed to be part of one in his lawsuit against Penn State. Also, since Sandusky was already retired when that episode occurred, no one has ever explained what the even theoretical motive of this cover-up was. It is also important to point out that the only “evidence” of this “cover-up” comes in the form of a few very vague (and I believe grossly misunderstood) emails from their state-owned school addresses. Who the heck runs a child sex abuse cover-up exclusively by using a state-owned email server?!But the biggest hole in the virtually non-existent prosecution case is that there is not even a trickle of evidence where at this point when, after all these years and investigations, there should be a flood. There is no better proof of that then the full report which the federal government did on this situation, which I obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, and am releasing here, exclusively, for the first time. When former Penn State president Graham Spanier was forced to resign just a couple of days after the explosive grand jury presentment in Sandusky’s case was leaked, he had a top secret security clearance with the federal government. It wasn’t just any security clearance either as he had an SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information) designation which is about as high as civilian can go. After the scandal broke, the federal government, understandably, immediately commenced an exhaustive six-month investigation into whether Spanier’s clearance should be terminated or renewed. The person charged with that task, FIS (Federal Investigative Services) special agent John Snedden interviewed nearly every key person in the case related to Penn State and found not a shred of evidence of any kind of cover-up, deception, or malfeasance. His report also unanimously recommended that Spanier’s clearance be renewed, which, without objection, it was. Outrageously, former FBI Director Louis Freeh was directly told of this “verdict” just before he completed his “Freeh Report” which concluded that Penn State had indeed engaged in a cover-up here. Despite him obviously having intimate knowledge of the significance of this FIS result, Freeh made no mention of it in his report, obviously because it completely contradicted the conclusion which he wanted to come to and for which he was paid many millions of dollars by those remaining at Penn State who desperately needed a reason for why they fired/killed football legend Joe Paterno. While the issue of Spanier’s security clearance has been reported on (but quickly forgotten) previously, here is the full report, which has never been made public:Spanier High Level Clearance FBI Report (1) by LawNewz on ScribdHere is the document proving that Spanier’s clearance was renewed on June 4th, 2012 (seen at the top of page two). The term “DISCO” refers to “Department of Defense/Defense Security Clearance/Defense Industrial Security Clearance Office”:Spanier Security Renewal by LawNewz on ScribdThere are many extraordinary aspects of the report, though most will be lost on those who haven’t followed the case closely. Not only does Spanier get rave reviews from the two leaders of the Penn State board which fired him and the president who succeeded him, but he also does so from the now-former university counsel, Cynthia Baldwin, who would later mysteriously flip to being a prosecution witness, before being removed from the case entirely over attorney/client privilege issues. However, the most important element of the report comes from the fact that Spanier’s two co-defendants, Curley and Schultz, were also interviewed extensively and praised him profusely. At first glance, this might not mean much, but in a rational world this ends any legitimacy to the theory that there was a conspiracy to cover-up child sex abuse crimes. This is for several reasons. First, Curley and Schultz were also found to be highly credible by the FIS agent. Second, these are the only known interviews that either of them have ever given to anyone about this situation. Third, and most importantly, if there really was a conspiracy here, Curley and Schultz would NEVER have gone on the record with the federal government praising their former superior because it would have greatly curtailed their ability to throw him under the bus in the future in exchange for a plea bargain (the fact that none of the three have never even hinted at flipping on the other is further strong evidence that they are indeed innocent). I have spoken expansively with the FIS agent Snedden (who is now retired after a long career as a FIS and NCIS special agent), though he was not the source of these documents. He is as positive as I am that there was no cover-up here, and he shares my strong belief that the ENTIRE case is in dire need of revisiting by the media and law enforcement. He was scheduled to do his first interview on my weekly podcast this week, but he is now on the defense witness list and Spanier’s lawyers, stupidly/naively trusting the legal system, urged him at the last second to not to speak publicly until after the trial. My fear is that, as has happened so often in this case already, the full truth of this matter will only come out after innocent people have already been permanently damaged, and that no one will ever have the incentive to fix the harm caused by a false narrative in which almost everyone in power is now completely invested. That is why I have decided to release this information now.[image screen grab via ABC News]John Ziegler hosts a weekly podcast focusing on news media issues and is documentary filmmaker. You can follow him on Twitter at @ZigManFreud or email him at johnz@mediaite.com This is an opinion piece. The views expressed in this article are those of just the author. http://lawnewz.com/opinion/exclusive...s-no-cover-up/
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    Weird that these "innocent" guys get found guilty or plead guilty......JoePa took the easy way out or he would be in prison with the others
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    Weird that these "innocent" guys get found guilty or plead guilty......JoePa took the easy way out or he would be in prison with the others
    Maybe you didn't read this part

    "no better proof of that then the full report which the federal government did on this situation, which I obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, and am releasing here, exclusively, for the first time. When former Penn State president Graham Spanier was forced to resign just a couple of days after the explosive grand jury presentment in Sandusky’s case was leaked, he had a top secret security clearance with the federal government. It wasn’t just any security clearance either as he had an SCI (Sensitive Compartmented Information) designation which is about as high as civilian can go. After the scandal broke, the federal government, understandably, immediately commenced an exhaustive six-month investigation into whether Spanier’s clearance should be terminated or renewed. The person charged with that task, FIS (Federal Investigative Services) special agent John Snedden interviewed nearly every key person in the case related to Penn State and found not a shred of evidence of any kind of cover-up, deception, or malfeasance. His report also unanimously recommended that Spanier’s clearance be renewed, which, without objection, it was"

    It's so weird that PA OAG thinks Curley/Schultz covered up for worst pedophile ever & has media/public behind them, but let them plea for probably zero jail time. Gee, I wonder why?

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    Oh Brucefan......the guilty plea was their only way out. Notes and emails show they knew and protected a pedophile....just like JoPa did. Time to face the facts....Sandusky is a kiddie toucher and the administration and Paterno helped protect him. Thankfully joe is rotting in hell and Sandusky is rotting in prison. Where they both belong. Make room for the rest of the scumbags now.....time for them to serve their time.
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    The Second Mile was created so Sandusky could molest kids. That's the truth.

    some people are just delusional
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    The Second Mile was created so Sandusky could molest kids. That's the truth.

    some people are just delusional

    Even if that were true ( which its not) isn't it strange they get no blame ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucefan View Post
    Even if that were true ( which its not) isn't it strange they get no blame ?
    What do you mean by "they"? It's him.....he's to blame for molesting kids. Just like joe is to blame for letting it go on.

    "In hindsight I wish I had done more"---Joe Paterno

    yes, joe we all do. You failed kids and let them get molested. Hope you're having fun downstairs in hell with Bin Laden
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    What do you mean by "they"? It's him.....he's to blame for molesting kids. Just like joe is to blame for letting it go on.

    "In hindsight I wish I had done more"---Joe Paterno

    yes, joe we all do. You failed kids and let them get molested. Hope you're having fun downstairs in hell with Bin Laden

    Cant believe what I am about to do.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albatross View Post
    Cant believe what I am about to do.....

    +1

    ......geezus.....haha
    I am a psu football fan....always have been but joe is part of this disaster. I will never forget years ago when Sandusky was in the area for a second mile event. My boss( a state rep at the time) was invited to attend( common for local elected officials).....he would not go, saying he's heard too much stuff about Sandusky and kids. This was years before it was uncovered. So, if he knew....Joe Pa knew.....no doubt. Sick fuckers.....Joe was not a good man....he berated staff, faculty and administrators for decades.

    glad the program is back in contention and the evil that lurked there for decades is gone.
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    I'm heading 2 Dallas for series of radio, TV & Facebook interviews with @glennbeck @theBlaze @WorldOfStu on real "Penn State" story Thursday
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    Big Trial | Philadelphia Trial Blog Giving readers an unvarnished, uncensored, insider's view of the biggest courtroom drama

















    Tuesday, March 28, 2017

    Special Agent Who Investigated Spanier Blows Up Case



    FIS Special Agent John Snedden

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    What if everything you thought you knew about the so-called Penn State sex abuse scandal wasn't true?

    http://www.bigtrial.net/2017/03/spec...anier.html?m=1


    What if that infamous locker room incident that Mike McQueary supposedly witnessed 16 years ago -- featuring a naked Jerry Sandusky cavorting in the showers with an underage boy -- had nothing to do with sex? And what if the only two officials at PSU who ever spoke directly to former PSU President Graham Spanier about that incident really did describe it as just "horseplay" and not sex?

    And what if the guy advancing this contrarian story line was not some crackpot conspiracy theorist, but a decorated U.S. special agent? A guy who had already done a top-secret federal investigation five years ago into the so-called Penn State scandal but nobody knew about it until now?
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    Jesus brucefan.....are you still listening to that clown Ziegler?

    everybody has been found guilty or plead guilty. It's over....Sandusky raped kids and Joe didn't do anything to stop it. It's as clear as OJ and Casey Anthony.

    Enough already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    Jesus brucefan.....are you still listening to that clown Ziegler?

    everybody has been found guilty or plead guilty. It's over....Sandusky raped kids and Joe didn't do anything to stop it. It's as clear as OJ and Casey Anthony.

    Enough already.
    That article was not written by JZ ?
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    Some people getting brave now that they have some cover, and company

    Trustee Al Lord ‘Running Out Of Sympathy For So-Called Victims’ Of Sandusky

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    Penn State trustee Al Lord said in an email sent to The Chronicle of Higher Education that he’s “Running out of sympathy for 35 yr old, so-called victims with 7 digit net worth.” The email, which was sent on Saturday, refers to victims of Jerry Sandusky. Lord’s message was in response to the results the Graham Spanier trial, in which the former Penn State president was found guilty on one count of child endangerment but not guilty on charges of conspiracy.
    Lord, who’s seeking re-election in May, made his opinions known about the results of the trial as the email continued. “Do not understand why they were so prominent in trial,” Lord said in the message. “As you learned, Graham Spanier never knew Sandusky abused anyone.”
    Board of Trustees chairman Ira M. Lubert responded to the email and expressed sympathy for the victims of Sandusky. “Al Lord’s comments are personal and do not represent the opinions of the board or the university,” Lubert said in a statement. “The sentiments of the board and university leadership were expressed in the very first line of the statement released by Penn State: First and foremost, our thoughts remain with the victims of Jerry Sandusky.”
    Lord has been a longtime supporter of the embattled Spanier — and is running for one of the three spots on the board among five competing candidates.http://onwardstate.com/2017/03/30/tr...y/#prettyPhoto
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    Quote Originally Posted by brucefan View Post
    That article was not written by JZ ?
    How comes everybody is being found guilty or pleading guilty?

    you need to give up this......all these scums are gonna rot in hell or jail.....just like JoePa
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    Quote Originally Posted by vitterd View Post
    How comes everybody is being found guilty or pleading guilty?

    you need to give up this......all these scums are gonna rot in hell or jail.....just like JoePa
    24 charges A six year investigation of a 30 year criminal and cover up

    And you got two guys who feared for the life because of a polluted jury pool plea bargain a misdemeanor, and the other one convicted of a misdemeanor because the defense team were idiots

    3 wins 21 losses


    try to read and understand what I just wrote to get what a joke this is

    Its unraveling as we speak

    Hey media, how about this?! Jury foreman in Spanier trial says he'd apologize for lone guilty verdict if he could!! https://t.co/GoFiT1nrq5
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    Quote from john tonight
    "It's now VERY clear that the OAG putting fraudulent V5 on stand in the Spanier trial has backfired as lots of powerful people who were there are now SURE that the whole case is a fraud"
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    What did Mcqery get 7 million? I guess he won his case based on all lies too. Right Brucefan? Everything at psu was all just a misunderstanding. That's how you sick people think over there
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    Quote Originally Posted by bukis 1 View Post
    What did Mcqery get 7 million? I guess he won his case based on all lies too. Right Brucefan? Everything at psu was all just a misunderstanding. That's how you sick people think over there
    You know nothing about the case do you?

    The Mike McQueary $7.3 Million Civil Trial Verdict is Soul-Crushingly Insane

    by John Ziegler | 10:45 am, October 28th, 2016







    Yesterday, former Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary won a civil trial verdict against his former employer for defamation and misrepresentation against him due to his role as the only witness in the Jerry Sandusky criminal case. While he was originally seeking four million dollars, the jury of eight women and four men awarded McQueary over seven million.
    This verdict is nonsensical at every level and should offend the sensibilities of everyone who cares about justice. It should also scare the crap out of any institution which deals with children and their potential abuse.
    While I have no connection to Penn State, I have covered the so-called “Penn State Scandal” as closely as anyone in the world and I believe that I know more about the real story there than even Jerry Sandusky (who I have interviewed in prison multiple times) does. While I strongly believe that the narrative in the case accepted as “conventional wisdom” by the news media is very wrong, the verdict in the McQueary case is completely insane even if everything most people believe about the case is actually true.
    In short, McQueary had absolutely no legal, or even moral, case here. What happened was that the jury pool has been so polluted by five years of over-the-top media coverage condemning Penn State (much of it self-inflicted because the university has accepted, for PR purposes, blame and responsibility for things they didn’t do) that they clearly just felt sorry for the former coach who is now un-hirable because of his connection to the “scandal.”
    McQueary’s claim was based on two elements. The first is that Penn State defamed him by originally backing the two administrators who were charged in the case with obstructing the Sandusky investigation (five years later, there has never been a trial on those allegations and almost all of those charges have since been dropped).
    This assertion is absurd on its face. McQueary was neither named in the statement by Penn State’s then President Graham Spanier, nor, according to Spanier’s consistent and un-contradicted testimony, was his identity even known to Spanier at that time (one of the key facts people would be stunned to know is that at the time of Sandusky’s arrest, not only did Penn State’s president not know McQueary was the witness, but Sandusky did not either).
    How in the world can someone, especially a public figure as McQueary clearly was, be defamed when their identity is neither known, nor even mentioned, by the people whose statement was allegedly defamatory? Perhaps even more troubling, how the heck is simply defending the presumption of innocence of one party (the two charged, and then highly respected, Penn State administrators Tim Curley and Gary Schultz) “defamation” against someone whose testimony in a grand jury was in conflict with them? The mind truly boggles at the potential dangers of such a precedent being set here.
    The second key element of McQueary’s lawsuit was that Penn State made a misrepresentation to him about how they would handle his report of having “seen” (actually, more accurately, heard) Jerry Sandusky taking a naked shower alone with a boy on Penn State’s campus. However, there is not a shred of evidence which was presented to suggest that this was the case and, in fact, there was plenty of information provided, including by McQueary and those testifying on his behalf, that this allegation is false (it should also be pointed out that McQueary’s claim here is NOT that he was forced to be part of a cover up, which pretty much destroys the entire cover-up theory because he is the only witness in the case and it’s not much of a cover up without that person).
    McQueary’s own father testified, along with family friend who is a doctor, that nothing Mike told them the night of the episode indicated that it was “sexual,” or that he should go the police. That is why the plan was devised for him to call head coach Joe Paterno the next day. This alone would seem to discredit any notion that McQueary told the administrators something which demanded that they do more than what they did in response to his description (which, contrary to popular/media belief, was report it to Sandusky’s employer, The Second Mile charity, which knew very well the almost fourteen-year-old kid who was with Sandusky at that time).
    However, even if we presume (without evidence) that the testimony of Curley and Schultz saying that what McQueary reported was not remotely criminal is worthless because they are protecting themselves, there is still plenty to discredit Mike’s allegation. Specifically, Penn State’s legal counsel testified at the civil trial that he was told right after McQueary’s meeting with Paterno (which was immediately relayed by Paterno to his superiors) that Mike’s report was of “horseplay.”
    But most damning to McQueary’s claim are his own words. An email was presented in this trial which McQueary sent to the Attorney General’s office after the grand jury presentment was leaked indicating that Mike had witnessed “anal rape.” In that email, McQueary complains that his words had been “twisted” in the presentment and he would later testify several times that he did NOT see “anal rape” (importantly, Sandusky was found not guilty of that charge at his trial) and to this day doesn’t even seem to know what supposedly sexual act he witnessed. If McQueary has a case for defamation, ironically, it might be against the office of the Pennsylvania Attorney General for making it seem that he saw the rape of a child and ran away to tell his daddy.
    But the most devastating evidence against McQueary’s claim that his report back in the 2001 (tellingly, McQueary got the date, the month, and the year of the episode dead wrong in his first two testimonies) contained some sort of horrific sex act, comes from his own testimony in December of 2011. At a preliminary hearing he claimed that he had told people in the football program that Sandusky should not be hanging out around the locker room. That sounds like really solid evidence that he really did see/hear/report something awful. However, on cross-examination, McQueary admitted that he only started to feel that way ten years later AFTER investigators had come to him for help in a sex abuse inquiry against Sandusky. Clearly, McQueary’s view of what he had witnessed had changed dramatically in the ensuing decade.
    It appears that the jury, brainwashed by five years of awful media coverage, simply presumed facts never presented and assumed that the Penn State administrators had already been convicted of crimes (which they never will be). In short, Penn State is “bad” and McQueary is “good” because he helped bring the horrible Loch Less Monster that was Jerry Sandusky to justice. Clearly motivated by sympathy/emotion rather than logic/law, they gave him five million dollars in punitive damages, even though the evidence at trial overwhelming indicated that when he was let go from his job along with the vast majority of the staff after Paterno’s shocking firing, it was purely for football reasons and had nothing to do with his role in the Sandusky case.
    So, in the end, Mike McQueary, a guy who, at best, saw something bad happened to a kid, ran away without doing anything at all to get the boy out of danger, and did a poor job of articulating to superiors what he supposedly witnessed, is rewarded with an over seven million dollar judgment. So now I guess anyone who says anything at all to a superior remotely about child abuse which doesn’t result in an immediate arrest can sue over a decade later if the person they report ends up getting convicted of such crimes? Gee, that doesn’t sound like a Pandora’s Box just waiting to be opened!
    Of all the insane-making elements of this unjust verdict, the most bizarre is that McQueary is now owed over twice as much money by Penn State as the boy (so-called “Victim 2” who has given numerous statements saying he was not abused in the shower and who was never called to testify at Sandusky’s trial). Think about that. The guy who, at best, botched witnessing and reporting the event, may get twice as much money as the person Penn State paid for being the kid who was there that night (and allegedly the victim)!
    By the way, next Friday, that now twenty-eight-year-old man is scheduled to finally testify for the very first time in during Sandusky’s next appeal hearing. I plan on being there. If he tells the truth about that night then the complete insanity of the McQueary civil verdict will be breathtakingly obvious, maybe even to the completely clueless news media covering this case.
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    This is an opinon piece. The views expressed in this article are of this author.
    John Ziegler is a nationally-syndicated radio talk show host and documentary filmmaker. You can follow him on Twitter at @ZigManFreud or email him at johnz@mediaite.com
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    An opinion piece by John Ziegler another sick supporter of psu. I tell you Brucefan you and the rest of your cult over there all deserve each other. Your school is an embarrassment to higher education that let kids get raped. You are sick people and all your excuses don't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieRay View Post
    Hahaha. Still laughing
    Brucefans dream come true. Being in the shower with Jerry his idol
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    Of course he does

    Spanier jury foreman regrets misdemeanor child endangerment verdict for former Penn State president. https://youtu.be/UqsiAjTQtI8
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