Im boycotting the NFL until the real refs comeback

CHOPTALK · Sep 24, 2012

I think everyone should take the same stance.
I thought they would get better from week to week, but they are actually getting worse.

They kill the entire flow of the game.
They cant manage the teams.

They stole 16 points from the Saints yesterday.
They make a game that should end in 2hr and 50 mins last 3hrs and 45mins.

There is no way the NFL is developing new fans right now.
The only reason any of us watched this crap yesterday was for 3 reasons.

1)Habit
2)Betting
3)Fantasy Football

There is no other reasons then the above.
With these new officials I cant watch a game just for the hell of it anymore.
I would rather watch re-runs of Matlock and I hate Matlock.
As a matter of fact I have never watched Matlock in my life but I bet it is better then the crap I watched yesterday.

Roger Goodell is killing the NFL a little at a time.
The game has become a little less watchable with each passing year he has been in charge.

What he did to the Saints is a disgrace.
What he is doing with the officials is a disgrace.
What he is doing with the rule changes is a disgrace.

I refuse to take part in this abomination any longer until at least the regular officials come back.

jwblue · Sep 24, 2012

The referees are being unreasonable with compensation demands.

The NFL should not have to overpay for something. Even though the NFL has plenty of dough, it is out of principle.

bigbet1234 · Sep 24, 2012

But players aren't over paid?

They need the refs back before someone get killed.

That hit on the Oakland receiver yesterday was brutal. I get it's acontact sport, but these refs are missing the obvious calls.

jwblue said:
The referees are being unreasonable with compensation demands.

The NFL should not have to overpay for something. Even though the NFL has plenty of dough, it is out of principle.

SECplayer · Sep 24, 2012

How did they steal 16 points from the Saints? Only reason I ask is because I didn't watch the Saints game but did see one replay in which a Saints defender picked up a called fumble from a KC Rb (Droughn I think) and returned it for a td. It was called back after being reviewed but I thought the review seemed pretty clear that it was NOT a fumble and the reversal of the td was correct.

Just curious if you're including that in the 16 points or not. I thought it was not a fumble and bringing back the td was corrct.

KennyB · Sep 24, 2012

The refs are being unreasonable? The NFL is the biggest league in North American and I their officials are not even full time employees? Time to pay the refs because the replacements are not doing a good job. They don't even know all of the rules. The games yesterday were brutal to watch and the delays kill momentum.

gtc08 · Sep 24, 2012

the same people whining about the refs now whined about the refs who are on strike now. keep the replacement refs.

CHOPTALK · Sep 24, 2012

SECplayer said:
How did they steal 16 points from the Saints? Only reason I ask is because I didn't watch the Saints game but did see one replay in which a Saints defender picked up a called fumble from a KC Rb (Droughn I think) and returned it for a td. It was called back after being reviewed but I thought the review seemed pretty clear that it was NOT a fumble and the reversal of the td was correct.

Just curious if you're including that in the 16 points or not. I thought it was not a fumble and bringing back the td was corrct.

Yes that was 7 of the 16 points.
You need to look at the replay again.

It was a fumble.
Even the officials said it was a fumble.

What happened was the KC guy caught a pass and placed the ball on the turf without even getting touched. It was a live ball because he caught the ball on the ground but no defender touched him.
He placed the ball on the turf thinking the play was over but it was not over because he was untouched then the official blew the play dead when he should not have blown the play dead because no tackle was made.
The Saints player picked up on the fact that the guy never even was touched and picked it up and ran it into the endzone.

Then the Saints challenged that the KC guy was never even touched before placing the ball on the field and nobody even came close to touching but the officials said they could not give the Saints a TD because the official mistakingly blew the play dead when he should not have.

The Saints are very lucky they even got the turnover because the Saints player Harper barely gained control of the ball before the official inadvertantly blew the play dead.
Otherwise the Saints would have been screwed out of even gaining the ball at all.

It was 100% a fumble.
It was called a fumble. But the early whistle took away a Saints TD that they should have had.
The Saints ended up missing a FG 3 plays later so it was 7 lost points.

Jstack34 · Sep 24, 2012

CHOPTALK said:
Yes that was 7 of the 16 points.
You need to look at the replay again.

It was a fumble.
Even the officials said it was a fumble.

What happened was the KC guy caught a pass and placed the ball on the turf without even getting touched. It was a live ball because he caught the ball on the ground but no defender touched him.
He placed the ball on the turf thinking the play was over but it was not over because he was untouched then the official blew the play dead when he should not have blown the play dead because no tackle was made.
The Saints player picked up on the fact that the guy never even was touched and picked it up and ran it into the endzone.

Then the Saints challenged that the KC guy was never even touched before placing the ball on the field and nobody even came close to touching but the officials said they could not give the Saints a TD because the official mistakingly blew the play dead when he should not have.

The Saints are very lucky they even got the turnover because the Saints player Harper barely gained control of the ball before the official inadvertantly blew the play dead.
Otherwise the Saints would have been screwed out of even gaining the ball at all.

It was 100% a fumble.
It was called a fumble. But the early whistle took away a Saints TD that they should have had.
The Saints ended up missing a FG 3 plays later so it was 7 lost points.

This happens all the time, even with regular refs tho. In the Redskins game, Josh wilson recovered a fumble and started running and would have easily scored. They somehow ruled it was a fumble, but called him down when he wasn't even on the ground which cost Washington 7 points. BTW, the Chiefs player seemed to put the ball down because of his arm bending the wrong way

SECplayer · Sep 24, 2012

CHOPTALK said:
Yes that was 7 of the 16 points.
You need to look at the replay again.

It was a fumble.
Even the officials said it was a fumble.

What happened was the KC guy caught a pass and placed the ball on the turf without even getting touched. It was a live ball because he caught the ball on the ground but no defender touched him.
He placed the ball on the turf thinking the play was over but it was not over because he was untouched then the official blew the play dead when he should not have blown the play dead because no tackle was made.
The Saints player picked up on the fact that the guy never even was touched and picked it up and ran it into the endzone.

Then the Saints challenged that the KC guy was never even touched before placing the ball on the field and nobody even came close to touching but the officials said they could not give the Saints a TD because the official mistakingly blew the play dead when he should not have.

The Saints are very lucky they even got the turnover because the Saints player Harper barely gained control of the ball before the official inadvertantly blew the play dead.
Otherwise the Saints would have been screwed out of even gaining the ball at all.

It was 100% a fumble.
It was called a fumble. But the early whistle took away a Saints TD that they should have had.
The Saints ended up missing a FG 3 plays later so it was 7 lost points.

As I said, I only saw the replay one time (I think they just cut into whatever game I was watching to show the big play but then to say that it was reversed). Yet to see it again but I'll try and find it. Admittedly, the analysis you gave about not being touched and therefore not down by contact and a live ball was not on my mind. Your explanation makes sense. I'll try and find it and look at it again. I didn't even realize that the Saints were allowed to keep the ball until reading your reply.

Maggiore · Sep 24, 2012

Jstack34 said:
This happens all the time, even with regular refs tho. In the Redskins game, Josh wilson recovered a fumble and started running and would have easily scored. They somehow ruled it was a fumble, but called him down when he wasn't even on the ground which cost Washington 7 points. BTW, the Chiefs player seemed to put the ball down because of his arm bending the wrong way

If you are talking about the Green-Ellis fumble, then you are way off. It was a fumble but the guy that recovered was laying on the ground in a pile. He may not have been touched, but to say he was standing when he recovered is false.

Here's the play:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000064748/Green-Ellis-first-career-fumble

scottcarter · Sep 24, 2012

not much difference between these guys and the regular refs except it takes longer now. $5500 a game plus benefits!!! That's $22,000 a month. I bet that too many of us don't make that kind of coin. Not all the time anyways. They must have some nice time during the off season as well.

texansfan · Sep 24, 2012

Saints are just bad.

CHOPTALK · Sep 24, 2012

scottcarter said:
not much difference between these guys and the regular refs except it takes longer now. $5500 a game plus benefits!!! That's $22,000 a month. I bet that too many of us don't make that kind of coin. Not all the time anyways. They must have some nice time during the off season as well.

If there is not much difference how come the NFL average over the last 4 years for overturned challenges was only 48%.
Now that overturn rate is almost 75%.

And the amount of plays getting reviewed and challenged has gone up 3X more then the last 4 years which is a major cause for the longer games this season because there are plays getting challenged that in the past would never even got challenged in the first place because they would have got it right the first time.

vinscully · Sep 24, 2012

Memo to Chop: Roger Goodell doesn't give a fukk what you (or I) think.

Regards

Vin

steaktartar · Sep 24, 2012

jwblue said:
The referees are being unreasonable with compensation demands.

The NFL should not have to overpay for something. Even though the NFL has plenty of dough, it is out of principle.

bingo....fuck them

KingofNicotine · Sep 24, 2012

So how does it work? The replacement refs are not part of the union? If they replacement refs become permanent wouldn't they have to join the same union?

OneZero · Sep 24, 2012

I just don't get how people, how ANYONE can be in favor of the replacement referees. I mean you got D-2 and D-3 officials who have no business being in charge of an NFL game. It's not like the NFL took the top college ref's, they got bottom tier officials - who don't even know a third of the rules. It's pretty sad, when my mother knows intentional grounding is a loss of a down and the officials have no clue and will say "replay the down"

DrunkenHorseplayer · Sep 24, 2012

If you're like most people, you're going to find out real quick that a bad NFL is better than no NFL. As for me, I haven't watched a lot of action but, from what I've seen, the refs need work on knowing all the rules but are nowhere near as bad as everyone makes them out to be.

HacheMan · Sep 24, 2012

I recall several threads at the beginning of last season about how horrible the officiating was in the NFL.

In all reality is it truly any more worse than usual???

Jstack34 · Sep 24, 2012

Maggiore said:
If you are talking about the Green-Ellis fumble, then you are way off. It was a fumble but the guy that recovered was laying on the ground in a pile. He may not have been touched, but to say he was standing when he recovered is false.

Here's the play:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000064748/Green-Ellis-first-career-fumble

My apologies, he was on his knees. He still wasn't close to being touched

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