Anyone graduate college from 08-present. A different perspective on the election

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

I graduated college in 2009, and I wanted to provide some of the older members on here with a different perspective on the election. I preface this by stating that I am not assuming my perspective is the correct one, or that it is the only one. But simply wanted to talk about an age group I don't see heavily represented here.

In 09 I graduated from one of the top ten business schools in the country. I graduated with high distinction (top 5% of my class) and a triple business major. I also did an internship with the Walt Disney Company. I was a very determined college student, and made many sacrifices to achieve what I did in order to make a good life for myself in the future.... Yet for the past 3.5 years since graduation, I have been bouncing around several jobs that I am highly overqualified for and simply require a high school diploma-i.e. hourly positions. This is not for lack of trying. I have applied to thousands of jobs all around the country (even abroad) and networked my ass off in the process.

The point i wanted to make is that because of what has happened during the term of President Barack Obama, I have had to delay my entire life. I can not buy a home or a car (have had same piece of junk since high school). I can not start a family or move away from my home town and start a life for myself. It is a constant struggle for me to pay bills and rent, as I have a $600 dollar a month student loan payment (I was the first person in my family to go to college so no help from parents on tuition). I always try to refrain from having a pity party, but part of me believes that I deserve a chance to have the american dream that I have worked very hard for.

With that said, in this election, from my perspective; I truly do not understand how anyone could vote for Obama. I am not a hardcore republican, nor a democrat. But simply based on common sense, how could so many people vote for someone that has done nothing in four years. Again this is simply how this election looks from my point of view, and would love to hear from anyone in a similar situation or just anyone at all that has a comment on the matter.

RoofTop · Oct 25, 2012

It's not what you know, but who you know.

I wish someone told me that before I went to college.

My advice would be to start some type of service company that would do stuff that the majority of the people do not want to do (landscape, roofing, snow removal, etc.). Find a couple of Mexicans and get started. Work 20 years and then retire.

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

RoofTop said:
It's not what you know, but who you know.

I wish someone told me that before I went to college.

Thats the exact same thing I say all the time. Would have been priceless advice.

OptionA · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
I graduated college in 2009, and I wanted to provide some of the older members on here with a different perspective on the election. I preface this by stating that I am not assuming my perspective is the correct one, or that it is the only one. But simply wanted to talk about an age group I don't see heavily represented here.

In 09 I graduated from one of the top ten business schools in the country. I graduated with high distinction (top 5% of my class) and a triple business major. I also did an internship with the Walt Disney Company. I was a very determined college student, and made many sacrifices to achieve what I did in order to make a good life for myself in the future.... Yet for the past 3.5 years since graduation, I have been bouncing around several jobs that I am highly overqualified for and simply require a high school diploma-i.e. hourly positions. This is not for lack of trying. I have applied to thousands of jobs all around the country (even abroad) and networked my ass off in the process.

The point i wanted to make is that because of what has happened during the term of President Barack Obama, I have had to delay my entire life. I can not buy a home or a car (have had same piece of junk since high school). I can not start a family or move away from my home town and start a life for myself. It is a constant struggle for me to pay bills and rent, as I have a $600 dollar a month student loan payment (I was the first person in my family to go to college so no help from parents on tuition). I always try to refrain from having a pity party, but part of me believes that I deserve a chance to have the american dream that I have worked very hard for.

With that said, in this election, from my perspective; I truly do not understand how anyone could vote for Obama. I am not a hardcore republican, nor a democrat. But simply based on common sense, how could so many people vote for someone that has done nothing in four years. Again this is simply how this election looks from my point of view, and would love to hear from anyone in a similar situation or just anyone at all that has a comment on the matter.

I'd like to know what you think Obama could have done better in terms of the economy. He's being attacked for cutting back on social programs, attacked for adding to the national debt, and attacked for not getting more people working. What could he have done better? Honest question.

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

OptionA said:
I'd like to know what you think Obama could have done better in terms of the economy. He's being attacked for cutting back on social programs, attacked for adding to the national debt, and attacked for not getting more people working. What could he have done better? Honest question.

How would I know that? I am not the President. I would expect the president of the united states to be able to answer that question better then me. And I know from first hand experience that he has not done a good job. Had I graduated in the Clinton Administration for example, I would be sitting pretty. Do I know what Clinton did right? Of course not, I'm not qualified to know that. But the leader of the country sure as hell should be.

RoofTop · Oct 25, 2012

I'm surprised the country is doing as well as it is. Whoever was elected president during this last term would of been screwed from the get go. All were doing is robbing peter to pay paul. Eventually, the sh!t is going to hit the fan. Does not matter who is in office.

OptionA · Oct 25, 2012

So you claim to have graduated in the top 5% in one of the best business schools in the country, yet you have no idea what he could have done differently?

Jstack34 · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
I graduated college in 2009, and I wanted to provide some of the older members on here with a different perspective on the election. I preface this by stating that I am not assuming my perspective is the correct one, or that it is the only one. But simply wanted to talk about an age group I don't see heavily represented here.

In 09 I graduated from one of the top ten business schools in the country. I graduated with high distinction (top 5% of my class) and a triple business major. I also did an internship with the Walt Disney Company. I was a very determined college student, and made many sacrifices to achieve what I did in order to make a good life for myself in the future.... Yet for the past 3.5 years since graduation, I have been bouncing around several jobs that I am highly overqualified for and simply require a high school diploma-i.e. hourly positions. This is not for lack of trying. I have applied to thousands of jobs all around the country (even abroad) and networked my ass off in the process.

The point i wanted to make is that because of what has happened during the term of President Barack Obama, I have had to delay my entire life. I can not buy a home or a car (have had same piece of junk since high school). I can not start a family or move away from my home town and start a life for myself. It is a constant struggle for me to pay bills and rent, as I have a $600 dollar a month student loan payment (I was the first person in my family to go to college so no help from parents on tuition). I always try to refrain from having a pity party, but part of me believes that I deserve a chance to have the american dream that I have worked very hard for.

With that said, in this election, from my perspective; I truly do not understand how anyone could vote for Obama. I am not a hardcore republican, nor a democrat. But simply based on common sense, how could so many people vote for someone that has done nothing in four years. Again this is simply how this election looks from my point of view, and would love to hear from anyone in a similar situation or just anyone at all that has a comment on the matter.

Im just confused on how you graduated from such a good business school and were top 5% and triple major and have no good job. I just graduated from a top 40 business school and I would say the majority of students had jobs lined up. I think a lot has changed from 09 to graduating in 2011 and 12 and professors have told me that, but the amount of recruiting from big firms that was done on my campus was pretty big. I actually start work with a good company this week. About the president, I just can't believe that he really effects anything. I subscribe to the Bill Burr school of thought that its all pretty much the same and dictated by people who want money. Im not voting but I would probably vote Obama(even though it doesn't matter in Maryland) because Romney just comes across as every person I hate and will cater to the rich but I fully admit i am unaware of both candidates stances on almost all issues.

RoofTop · Oct 25, 2012

I assume that he believed that assumption that if you go to a good school, make good grades, then a nice high paying job would be waiting at your feet.

This has been preached for the last 50 years. Why wouldn't he have bought into it.

Other assumptions include:

American dream is to own your own home.
Stock market is the best place to put your money in for retirement.
Your pension is safe.

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

OptionA said:
So you claim to have graduated in the top 5% in one of the best business schools in the country, yet you have no idea what he could have done differently?

I'm not claiming that, it is the truth. Why exactly would I lie about that? And I think that may be straying from the point. The point is why do I need to critique him on what he could have done differently? Im in my twenties and wouldn't begin to be so arrogant as to tell someone how to run the country. I am not here to discuss policy.

From my perspective, I simply dispel all the noise and look on a common sense level. And the common sense is that people can't find good jobs who deserve good jobs. And that responsibility falls upon the leader of the country. I believe my age group is a very underrepresented voice in this election and are the ones who have experienced the unemployment side of this election first hand.

To me it seems so simple that he had his chance, but it did not work out, so there should be a change.

If a sports team signs a player, and they perform poorly, wouldn't that team let the player go and make a change when his contract is up?
Thats my whole point here, I am very confused how so many could vote for him again when everyone knows the shape of the country after his term.

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

RoofTop said:
I assume that he believed that assumption that if you go to a good school, make good grades, then a nice high paying job would be waiting at your feet.

This has been preached for the last 50 years. Why wouldn't he have bought into it.

Other assumptions include:

American dream is to own your own home.
Stock market is the best place to put your money in for retirement.
Your pension is safe.

All really good points. Very true

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

Jstack34 said:
Im just confused on how you graduated from such a good business school and were top 5% and triple major and have no good job. I just graduated from a top 40 business school and I would say the majority of students had jobs lined up. I think a lot has changed from 09 to graduating in 2011 and 12 and professors have told me that, but the amount of recruiting from big firms that was done on my campus was pretty big. I actually start work with a good company this week. About the president, I just can't believe that he really effects anything. I subscribe to the Bill Burr school of thought that its all pretty much the same and dictated by people who want money. Im not voting but I would probably vote Obama(even though it doesn't matter in Maryland) because Romney just comes across as every person I hate and will cater to the rich but I fully admit i am unaware of both candidates stances on almost all issues.

I know that a lot of people who graduate college get great jobs, I understand that. I know plenty of people who didnt go to a college and make a ton of money. I also know many who are in an even worse predicament. I know a princeton grad working at a movie rental place, and many mba's working as bartenders, servers etc.. But trust me when I say it was much worse in 09, it was worst time to graduate since the great depression and many of my classmates were in my same shoes. And unfortunately, how you start off in your career has a lot to do with how it continues down the road. On your point about the president, I do think who is in charge makes a difference, otherwise the whole idea of democracy is down the toilet.

Jstack34 · Oct 25, 2012

RoofTop said:
I assume that he believed that assumption that if you go to a good school, make good grades, then a nice high paying job would be waiting at your feet.

This has been preached for the last 50 years. Why wouldn't he have bought into it.

Other assumptions include:

American dream is to own your own home.
Stock market is the best place to put your money in for retirement.
Your pension is safe.

If you use school resources and apply to internships while at school, you will find a job much more easily. Also, key is to search for jobs while in school instead of waiting until after graduation day. So i would say, go to school, make good grades, and you will find a decent paying job as long as you know what you are doing. But I agree, jobs aren't out there as much for grads with certain majors. I guess it all depends on situations tho

Jstack34 · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
I know that a lot of people who graduate college get great jobs, I understand that. I know plenty of people who didnt go to a college and make a ton of money. I also know many who are in an even worse predicament. I know a princeton grad working at a movie rental place, and many mba's working as bartenders, servers etc.. But trust me when I say it was much worse in 09, it was worst time to graduate since the great depression and many of my classmates were in my same shoes. And unfortunately, how you start off in your career has a lot to do with how it continues down the road. On your point about the president, I do think who is in charge makes a difference, otherwise the whole idea of democracy is down the toilet.

I agree with you big time on it being worse in 09. All the time professors would say how many more students were getting offers than 2 or 3 years ago. So that kind of makes me think maybe Obama has helped. But I just find it tough to believe that the president really controls as much as people think.

OptionA · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
I know that a lot of people who graduate college get great jobs, I understand that. I know plenty of people who didnt go to a college and make a ton of money. I also know many who are in an even worse predicament. I know a princeton grad working at a movie rental place, and many mba's working as bartenders, servers etc.. But trust me when I say it was much worse in 09, it was worst time to graduate since the great depression and many of my classmates were in my same shoes. And unfortunately, how you start off in your career has a lot to do with how it continues down the road. On your point about the president, I do think who is in charge makes a difference, otherwise the whole idea of democracy is down the toilet.

You do understand how the US system of government works, right? The President has almost no power at all. The House Majority Leader has much, much more power when it comes to domestic policy on issues like taxation and government spending on infrastructure. The President has proposed a major spending bill to get America back to work building badly needed bridges, hospitals, highways, etc. The Republican majority in the lower house of Congress have repeatedly blocked it. How can you blame Obama for that?

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

OptionA said:
You do understand how the US system of government works, right?

No reason to come to the thread and be disrespectful when people are just having a rational discussion.

JustinCruise · Oct 25, 2012

Jstack34 said:
I agree with you big time on it being worse in 09. All the time professors would say how many more students were getting offers than 2 or 3 years ago. So that kind of makes me think maybe Obama has helped. But I just find it tough to believe that the president really controls as much as people think.

Interesting to hear how things are going today with new grads. When I was a senior our professors were telling us our only option was Grad school lol. The people that took that advice were really screwed because no experience and an mba = no job

CHOPTALK · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
I do think who is in charge makes a difference, otherwise the whole idea of democracy is down the toilet.

Dude

CHOPTALK · Oct 25, 2012

JustinCruise said:
No reason to come to the thread and be disrespectful when people are just having a rational discussion.

Read the rest of his post.
you might learn something

PatsFan1283 · Oct 25, 2012

What school did you go to? What was your concentration?

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