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    This latest Ben Carson like swing and miss should send the cockroach into hiding again.

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    If only the Vegas shooter had the same horrible aim as duhhhhhhfinch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dafinch View Post
    A lie, as usual. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

    Violent crime in New York City has been dropping since the mid-1990s[1][2] and, as of 2015, is the lowest of any major city in the United States.[3] In 2014, there were 328 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963.[2][4] Crime rates spiked in the 1980s and early 1990s as the crack epidemic hit the city.[5][6] According to a 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist, New York was the 10th-overall-safest major city in the world, as well as the 28th-safest in personal safety.[7]

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    Anyone seen BleedingPurple?

    Any moment I'm expecting him to make an appearance in this thread insisting that "duhhhhhfinch really didn't mean it!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheriff Joe View Post
    Anyone seen BleedingPurple?

    Any moment I'm expecting him to make an appearance in this thread insisting that "duhhhhhfinch really didn't mean it!"



    Or maybe Guesser ......oh wait.

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    Oops, was that The Gooser who insisted duhhhhhfinch was "joking" about Ben Carson losing his license?

    I thought it was BleedingPurple. My apologies.
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    You guys are just being mean.

    Didn't Finch claim he moved to Vegas? If so, good for him! I'd recognize this picture of the Vegas strip in a heartbeat!

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    Should concealed guns be allowed in schools and churches? How about bars? All will be legal under bills advancing in Lansing.




    Michigan Senate OKs Concealed Guns In Schools, Churches, Bars
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    U.S. House of Representatives to Vote on H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

    7:00AM MONDAY, DECEMBER 04, 2017
    In a huge win for Second Amendment supporters, the U.S. House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday held a mark-up of H.R. 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, and favorably reported an amended version of the bill to the full House. Anti-gun Democrats on the Committee offered a lengthy list of amendments to weaken or gut the bill, all of which were defeated.
    The last 30 years have seen a continual expansion of the right to carry concealed handguns for self-defense within the United States, even as the nationwide violent crime rate has plummeted during the same period.
    Every U.S. state now has a legal mechanism whereby its residents may carry concealed handguns, and 42 states and the District of Columbia broadly recognize a right of law-abiding citizens to do so.
    The remaining eight states, however, treat the right to carry for self-defense as a privilege reserved for the elite, the connected, or those who can “prove” extraordinary circumstances to the licensing officials.
    How this minority approach works in places like New York City, for example, is that movie stars such as Robert De Niro and Harvey Keitel can get permits, but a bus driver or waitress who wants to carry in his or her own high-crime neighborhood cannot, no matter how spotless the person’s background. It has also led to allegations of corruption, with “expediters” said to have paid licensing officials thousands of dollars to process permit applications for their clients – including those with histories of domestic violence – without any background checks whatsoever.
    Needless to say, these states also refuse to recognize permits from other states or even, in some cases, to issue their own permits to otherwise eligible out-of-state residents.
    Anti-gun members of the committee – most of whom have never met an exercise of federal authority they didn’t love – hypocritically tried to portray H.R. 38 as an attack on “states’ rights” and desperately tried to steer the debate to the differences between state licensing laws.
    A majority of the committee, however, saw past the charade and recognized that what was really at stake was not the safety of residents in anti-gun states but whether upstanding Americans get to exercise their fundamental right to carry over the wishes of politicians who seek to deny it entirely.
    Indeed, anti-gun committee members made many revealing arguments during the lengthy proceedings, displaying both their ignorance and their refusal to accept the bearing of arms as a constitutional right.
    Multiple committee members began their attack on the bill by falsely claiming it would prevent police officers from doing their jobs, or even from verifying permits, and that the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) opposed it. When Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) corrected the record to explain the FOP does not, in fact, oppose the bill, the anti-gun members pivoted to the argument that groups representing the executive and political classes of law enforcement still did.
    They were clearly stung, however, by the fact that the largest national organization of officers working the streets – the very same officers most directly impacted by the legislation – had no opposition to it. And when it comes to support by law enforcement executives, the anti-gun opponents of the bill were dealt another blow when 24 state attorneys general, the chief law-enforcement officers of their respective states, signed onto a letter in support of H.R. 38.
    Rep. John Rutherford (R-FL) – who rose through the ranks of the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office from patrolman to captain – also offered an NRA-supported amendment to make clear what was already implicit in the bill’s language: officers may conduct constitutionally permissible investigative stops. That amendment was adopted by a voice vote, but the bill’s critics remained undeterred.
    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD), one of the bill’s most vocal and animated opponents, offered a novel interpretation of the Supreme Court’s Heller decision. He allowed it protects the ownership of handguns for self-defense but insisted it only applies to rifles and shotguns used for “hunting” and “recreation.” Raskin denied, moreover, that the bill would protect any constitutional rights and even wasted the committee’s time by offering a childish amendment to change the Act’s short title to reflect his own view of its effect and purpose.
    Another telling moment came when Rep. Darrell Issa (R-49) offered an amendment to include federal judges within the protection of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, which since 2004 has allowed qualified active and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed firearms interstate. Anti-gun committee members immediately launched attacks against the amendment, with their arguments devolving into thinly-veiled attacks on the character and reliability of the judiciary.
    Ranking member Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) elaborated at length on the supposed risks federal judges pose of drunk driving, domestic violence, and senility. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) echoed his concerns, focusing on their potential for instability, domestic violence, and “abuse of dating partners.”
    When Rep. Issa offered to clarify that the rule would apply only to judges who are not federally prohibited from receiving a firearm and explained that police officers are already covered by similar provisions, Nadler responded that he doesn’t agree with LEOSA as it applies to police officers, either.
    A sizeable majority of the committee, however, apparently holds the federal judiciary in greater esteem than Nadler and Lofgren and voted to include them in LEOSA by a margin of 18-6.
    Yet perhaps the most eye-popping claim came from none other than Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), who claimed, “if there is a domestic violence case, and there is a gun – 500% chance of there being a homicide.” Lest anybody think she misspoke, Lee repeated the assertion later in the hearing, “if it’s a domestic violence situation, and you have a gun, it’s a 500% chance it’ll end in homicide.”
    While these gaffes may be humorous, the situation the bill seeks to prevent is not. Decent, law-abiding Americans – people like Brian Fletcher, Shaneen Allen, Raymond Hughes, Meredith Graves, Ryan Jerome, Jamie Kiklis – have been arrested and thrown into jail for innocent mistakes over concealed carry reciprocity. Other travelers who have been victims of violent attacks were rendered defenseless because of the prohibitive anti-gun laws in a small handful of states.
    H.R. 38 simply seeks to shift the law to the side of those who obey the rules so they – and not just the criminals – can exercise what the U.S. Supreme Court called “the right to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation” in any state where their travels may take them.
    Consideration of the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act by the full House will likely occur [this] week. Please contact your member of Congress using the Write Your Representatives feature of our website and respectfully urge him or her to vote “yes” on this vital legislation. You can also call the U.S. Capitol Switchboard at (202) 224-3121 and ask to speak to your representative.
    After years of sustained effort by your NRA to see national reciprocity become law, its passage may now be closer than ever.
    © 2017 National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. This may not be reproduced for commercial purposes. https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/us-h...eciprocity-act



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    POLITICS Community Takes Stand, Shuts Up School Board That Rejected $5k NRA Grant


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    I have stayed relatively silent in respect to those lost in the school shooting. But I have now reached my limit. This may be long but bear with me. Itís time we did what is right instead of what is politically expedient. The media or politicians blaming the gun are intellectually dishonest and part of the problem. They want to scream and insist it is the gun. This is LAZY and convenient. It also gets votes and ratings. Blaming the gun may make a person FEEL better because they think they are doing something. But it actually does nothing to stop more shootings. Why you ask? Because the weapon has not changed. There was a time that guns were in the back windows of PU trucks on school grounds. Many High Schools had gun safety and target practice. On school grounds. No mass shootings. Guns are MUCH harder to obtain and more expensive than in past years. There were many more guns per capita back then. The NRA has not killed anyone either. So letís just admit itís not the hunk of metal called a gun. Letís stop being lazy and get to the hard work of what has ACTUALLY changed and the reason for the increase of mass and school shootings.
    Guns have not changed. But some things have. Maybe we should pay attention. Parents are not allowed to discipline their children, or donít have the will, without child services showing up. This could lead to being lazy in many cases and controlling them with prescribed drugs. Maybe the parents are absent and the family unit has largely deteriorated. Are ď social programsĒ part of the problem? So many fatherless homes surely has an impact. Or, unlike in the past, both parents have to work long hours to make ends meet. Or is it that the kids think they are entitled to health and happiness? Without the work involved? Many are taught to disrespect the law. Is it the amount of vaccinations? We only had a few when I was a kid. So many more now. I canít remember so many kids being autistic or even allergic to peanuts. Could it be the fluoride and chlorine in city water? Maybe itís all the GMO altered vegetables and processed foods. Or is it the proliferation of violent video games? Could it be the disrespect and violence in our musical lyrics and movies nowadays? Or maybe the access to sexual material before they are ready? Is this all a conspiracy theory or should we look into them? I honestly do not know the answers. But the point is that it has to be something that has changed. Not the gun. If it were the gun, then that doesnít explain the bombs being set off, the knife attacks in subways, or the van driving through a crowd to kill people. Itís a lack of respect for human life. So please, letís do the HARD work of trying to figure out how to stop this instead of being lazy and intellectually dishonest.
    Until then, I have logical common sense proposals that do not affect our 2nd amendment rights to defend ourselves and families. Because letís be honest, there are already laws against murder that these killers regularly ignore. SO what makes anyone think they will obey any new gun laws? New laws will only affect those that care about laws in the first place. Not those that ignore them.
    First: At a cost of ZERO dollars, letís stop making these killers famous by plastering their names and photos everywhere. This only inspires the next evil freak to want to become famous. Call them ďthe shooterĒ. Period!
    Second: At a cost of ZERO dollars, Forget the PC of traumatizing our kids. We had Nuclear drills in the 50ís-60ís and still have fire drills even though there has not been a major school fire in over 50 years. We should have active shooter and terrorist drills. Because thatís a MUCH bigger threat than anything else in our world today. Unfortunately. Those drills need to teach them to escape and/or survive. Not be a sitting target.
    Third: Cost, one time minimal. Have several biometric safes, with a weapon inside, accessible by only 3-4 trained teachers per lock box. Have them in the office, teachers lounge, and other strategic places inside the school. At least give our teachers a fighting chance to save our kids instead of just shielding them with their bodies like the football coach did in Florida. I would rather have someone moderately trained, in an emergency, having access to a weapon than no weapon at all. The 80 year old math teacher, with a gun, could have that weapon taken from them. But, if they are trained, having access to a weapon, in a lock box, under EXTREME conditions is better than being a victim. The former Marine/police officer football coach, combat veteran ROTC instructor, or other HIGHLY trained personnel, should be able to apply for a special provision to conceal carry. I am not in favor of all teachers being able to have a sidearm in the classroom. Many problems could come of that.
    Fourth: Cost, minimal. But worth it to protect our children. Many former military and retired police would be more than willing to accept almost minimum wage with benefits to be armed and posted at each entrance to the school. Not to mention helping veterans that are possibly disabled. Giving them a true purpose. They ARE NOT to be breaking up fights or even interacting with students. Be armed and sitting by the door. Period. The simple fact of their presence would be a deterrent.
    Fifth: At a cost of ZERO dollars. The mere presence of the possibility of fighting back is a deterrent. Itís no secret that these cowards pick ďgun free zonesĒ for a reason. Because soft targets canít fight back.
    Lastly: At a cost of ZERO dollars. There is an APP now that I am not familiar with that I am told alerts the closest on or off duty officers to any disturbing activity in a school. Or approved and trained first responders. There needs to be one if there isn't already. More research is required, but it has merit that needs exploring.
    The question for me is why donít we explore some of these options instead of the ignorant, automatic, reflexive knee-jerk reactions of ďgun controlĒ? Seems to me those that want to scream "its the guns" are more focused on controlling us, and getting re-elected than actually fixing the problem. They ARE the problem. They are politically motivated and LAZY! Because the truth is, ALL of these mass shootings are done in ďgun freeĒ zones. Every. Single. One!!!! And itís not working out very well. Itís time to do the HARD work.
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    Want more proof?

    London's murder rate has overtaken New York City's for the first time ever as the
    twelfth person has been killed in just 19 days.

    February marked the first month in history books that London had more murders than
    the American city with a total of 15 homicides. Out of the 15 killed, nine were aged
    30 or younger.

    In March, there were 22 murders, which is likely to match if not beat out New York's
    numbers and London is gun free to boot.
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    Armed citizen kills shooter who opened fire in Oklahoma restaurant - USA Today



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