Hedge funds throw Revel casino a lifeline ( IMO, being a Non-Smoking Resort didn't help either )

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The backers of Atlantic City’s nearly-broke Revel casino are making another risky bet.


The same group of investors that put roughly $1 billion in the casino’s parent company, Revel Entertainment, are loaning it another $150 million in a bid to keep the doors open through next summer, a source close to the situation said.


“This is an act of desperation,” the source said.
If they did not loan the money, Revel would have gone broke in a matter of weeks and their investment would have been worthless, the source added.


Now, they hope Revel can stay in business for a few more months, giving the backers time to restructure and ultimately sell the casino.



Revel — the first major Atlantic City casino to open in 10 years — has been a huge disappointment since it opened for business this spring.


“Marketing has been a big issue,” the source said. “They thought they would attract the New York cosmopolitan client, and really missed the meat-and-potatoes slot player.”


In contrast, the casinos at Aqueduct and Yonkers Raceway target slot players and combine to generate more than $1 billion in annual revenue.


Revel, which employs more than 2,000 full-time workers, lost $37 million in the third quarter on top of $35 million in the second quarter.


The casino’s first major backer, Morgan Stanley, stopped funding construction on the casino in 2011. The bank wrote down its investment by $1.2 billion before selling the stake — most of it to Canyon Partners and three other hedge funds.


Revel’s investors may be doubling down in the hopes that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie will soon legalize online poker amid a nationwide move to allow Internet gambling. If he does, Revel could get a license to operate a website in-state.
“That, in itself, won’t save Revel,” the source said. “It’s a little nugget.”
 
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Just My Opinion and I know a few that have voiced theirs ....

Putting this GIANT Casino up in this Day and age was the worst thing to do... It had FAIL all over it from the Start.

and I know that there are a lot of Non-Smokers now a days.... BUT, Most Gamblers Smoke !

Myself and a few of my friends have had Many Many Invites from Revel ( even got one for New Years eve ) But out of the group ( 8 )
5 of us are Smokers. And since we usually go Together as a Group, only ONE is going New Years eve.

the One time the group went, we had a 3 day Stay... and Left after one Night.
Even a Smoker can deal with not smoking in your Room ( or at least have a balcony to smoke on ) But as you know... No balcony in Gambling Towns. ( wonder Why ? LOL )
But to not be able to Smoke and Gamble... is Hard.

They could have done what Other casinos did after they Tried to pass a Smoking ban in AC. They made part of the casinos Non-Smoking. Even Table areas !!

Not saying this is the answer to Save the Revel... but it would Help.
 

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I wonder if they gain more non smokers who go because of the no smoking then they lose smokers because of there policy.

I will tell you one thing though.
In Louisiana one time I was playing BJ and about 4 people at the table was blowing smoke in my face.
I am not a smoker.
I dont mind smokers they dont bother me.
But anyway I dip.
Yes I do.
Well I was at this table with 4 smokers blowing smoke in my face so I decide im going to take a dip.

Then the casino had the nerve to tell me that im not allowed to take a dip at the casino.

I almost blew up.
I told them you mean to tell me 4 people can blow smoke in my face and its ok but I cant take a dip?

That pissed me off.
 

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I wonder if they gain more non smokers who go because of the no smoking then they lose smokers because of there policy.

I will tell you one thing though.
In Louisiana one time I was playing BJ and about 4 people at the table was blowing smoke in my face.
I am not a smoker.
I dont mind smokers they dont bother me.
But anyway I dip.
Yes I do.
Well I was at this table with 4 smokers blowing smoke in my face so I decide im going to take a dip.

Then the casino had the nerve to tell me that im not allowed to take a dip at the casino.

I almost blew up.
I told them you mean to tell me 4 people can blow smoke in my face and its ok but I cant take a dip?

That pissed me off.

spit. people leaving spit cups around is nasty.... much more socially acceptable to ash your cig to spit out your tobacco juice....


But If I ever went to AC, I would go to the Revel just because of the non smoking....
 

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I love that place, love the rooms, the restaurants and went to see two great concerts there, Aerosmith and Sugerland

would be bummed if they didn't make it, although bally's assigned me a casino host for the first time in 20 years (since the CT casinos opened)
 

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I wonder if they gain more non smokers who go because of the no smoking then they lose smokers because of there policy.

I will tell you one thing though.
In Louisiana one time I was playing BJ and about 4 people at the table was blowing smoke in my face.
I am not a smoker.
I dont mind smokers they dont bother me.
But anyway I dip.
Yes I do.
Well I was at this table with 4 smokers blowing smoke in my face so I decide im going to take a dip.

Then the casino had the nerve to tell me that im not allowed to take a dip at the casino.

I almost blew up.
I told them you mean to tell me 4 people can blow smoke in my face and its ok but I cant take a dip?

That pissed me off.
I know a lot of people goto windsor casino Caesars and skip over the detroit ones because of the smoking... this is before the ohio casino's obviously

-murph
 

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I wonder if they gain more non smokers who go because of the no smoking then they lose smokers because of there policy.

I will tell you one thing though.
In Louisiana one time I was playing BJ and about 4 people at the table was blowing smoke in my face.
I am not a smoker.
I dont mind smokers they dont bother me.
But anyway I dip.
Yes I do.
Well I was at this table with 4 smokers blowing smoke in my face so I decide im going to take a dip.

Then the casino had the nerve to tell me that im not allowed to take a dip at the casino.

I almost blew up.
I told them you mean to tell me 4 people can blow smoke in my face and its ok but I cant take a dip?

That pissed me off.



Easier to clean up the ash.

Buddy and I sat down to play Roulette. He chews all the time. He was spitting into a dark beer bottle like Guiness or something so it was sort of hidden. Well, no sooner than we get our first bet down, he drops the bottle, as he was leaning in to place chips, right on the table. It oozed out as it was thick. No one wanted to clean it. Needless to say, EVERYONE left that wheel. They brought in some sort of cleaning machine. Was a disaster at the time but funny as hell to laugh about now. I am sure that is one of several reasons why they dont allow it.
 
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I wonder if they gain more non smokers who go because of the no smoking then they lose smokers because of there policy.

I will tell you one thing though.
In Louisiana one time I was playing BJ and about 4 people at the table was blowing smoke in my face.
I am not a smoker.
I dont mind smokers they dont bother me.
But anyway I dip.
Yes I do.
Well I was at this table with 4 smokers blowing smoke in my face so I decide im going to take a dip.

Then the casino had the nerve to tell me that im not allowed to take a dip at the casino.

I almost blew up.
I told them you mean to tell me 4 people can blow smoke in my face and its ok but I cant take a dip?

That pissed me off.


one thing I do when I'm at a Table, I make sure I blow the smoke Up in the air away from people at the table.
That's why when I play Craps, I'm down towards the end. or when I just want to relax and play some 3 card Poker, I'll take the ends, 1st or last spot.
 
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I love that place, love the rooms, the restaurants and went to see two great concerts there, Aerosmith and Sugerland

would be bummed if they didn't make it, although bally's assigned me a casino host for the first time in 20 years (since the CT casinos opened)

They do have some Great Restaurants ... and very Good Concerts... Real nice looking place.. and agree, nice Rooms
Just don't think they will make it.
 

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I know a lot of people goto windsor casino Caesars and skip over the detroit ones because of the smoking... this is before the ohio casino's obviously

-murph


caesars in windsor is empty except for the concert nights ... i love it because of the non smoking but people dont go because

of the exchange rate about even and they charge 4% to exchange money they think they are in the banking business

no smoking in the whole country

and the tunnel people treat the us citizens like criminals when we come back from canada...

still the best imo.....gl
 

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It is a maze to find their poker room. Almost no signs. 1 elevator says it takes you to the poker room level but then you have to walk thru a maze. Shocker it was almost empty on a Saturday night
 

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Since I have been going to Mohegan Sun for the last 10 yrs or so....I have not been to AC in 3 yrs. I got an invite to Revel I guess due to my play in AC for 30+yrs. I hate the drive....kills me. I can be at mohegan sun in 2:15min. The have great shows,good eats not the best and they treat me very well.
 

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Revel isnt going to make it, I go about 2 times a week they treat me very well, almost too well... the place is amazing...restaurants everywhere... amazing place in the summer they are building a beach out there............ but they wont make it, they already let go my casino host and now i have another host who hints to me they wont make it..

My host did tell me January 19th they are opening up a sportsbook? That is not possible so i have no idea what that means
 
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Revel isnt going to make it, I go about 2 times a week they treat me very well, almost too well... the place is amazing...restaurants everywhere... amazing place in the summer they are building a beach out there............ but they wont make it, they already let go my casino host and now i have another host who hints to me they wont make it..

My host did tell me January 19th they are opening up a sportsbook? That is not possible so i have no idea what that means

Yeah, when they first opened.. word was No Comps.. LOL that lasted long.
a couple of weeks later started getting calls. at first they were saying, Well come down, Play and we can talk after.
Yeah Right ! Homie don't play that ! HaHa

That tone Changed Big Time ! Now you can get just about Anything from them... But Yeah.. Place is Empty.. I was there on a Saturday Night... never saw that before.
 

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A couple of problems with the Revel. No buffet that might be changing but it was a horrible decision to not have one. Buffet's bring in customers. The Revel has no inexpensive places to eat. Borgota has a food court next the poker room. Speaking of the poker room the Revel made a big mistake not building a large poker room to compete with Borgota. As another poster stated it is buried one second floor. Slot marketing is horrible. When you open you have to target hardcore slot and video poker players and offer lots of bounceback Bonus Play. You have to do what the Tropicana did and offer 20-25 times a month. Even if you lose money giving too much away you have to have the players develop a habit of coming to your casino. Here's another problem, not enough restrooms and they are hard to find. It's not that they don't have restrooms but they have several of them near restaurants and they are off the casino floor. When the bulk of weekday business is seniors you the restrooms close enough to the slots that players can go and come back quickly. The property is geared to make money off of lodging, dining and nightclubs. That works in Las Vegas not Atlantic City. No one comes to AC during the late fall and winter. Vegas gets these young trust fund babies or professionals who come to the clubs during the weekends. That's all they care about too. They don't gives a rat's ass about gambling. All they worry about is getting drunk and getting laid. Revel will be sold, they might allow smoking and they will totally overhaul how they do business and operate like all the other AC properties do. Make gambling the number one objective.
 

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Here's the problem with Revel - they are targetting the upper class NY players. But who? If you're a poker player, you're going to CT every time. It's the same drive so no advantage there. If you're young and looking to party you're going to AC every time, but you're gonna go to Borgata or Harrahs because that's where the good clubs are and they're walking distance apart. They got the good pool parties too. Nobody gives a shit about the waterfront, the beach is disgusting, and thats where all the homeless are. That only leaves the old people. These are the people that are taking the nasty ass chinatown bus down to AC because it's $2 cheaper than the nice and clean buses. They're going to whatever casino comps them a free buffet or some slot coupons, not Revel.

Revel tried to outclass everywhere else, but the REAL high rollers would rather just take the nonstop flight to Vegas than the 3hr shitty drive to AC.

Without the poker players, or the partiers, or the high rollers, or the slots players who is left??

Same problem the Aces train had going to AC - it's too expensive for the target audience. If Revel was smart, they would have comped hotel guests on the Aces train, or comped them a luxury party bus to bring them down there.
 

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Here's the problem with Revel - they are targetting the upper class NY players. But who? If you're a poker player, you're going to CT every time. It's the same drive so no advantage there. If you're young and looking to party you're going to AC every time, but you're gonna go to Borgata or Harrahs because that's where the good clubs are and they're walking distance apart. They got the good pool parties too. Nobody gives a shit about the waterfront, the beach is disgusting, and thats where all the homeless are. That only leaves the old people. These are the people that are taking the nasty ass chinatown bus down to AC because it's $2 cheaper than the nice and clean buses. They're going to whatever casino comps them a free buffet or some slot coupons, not Revel.

Revel tried to outclass everywhere else, but the REAL high rollers would rather just take the nonstop flight to Vegas than the 3hr shitty drive to AC.

Without the poker players, or the partiers, or the high rollers, or the slots players who is left??

Same problem the Aces train had going to AC - it's too expensive for the target audience. If Revel was smart, they would have comped hotel guests on the Aces train, or comped them a luxury party bus to bring them down there.

Not sure if you are correct on not having the partiers? The lines at Revel were 10X longer than the lines at Borgata and anywhere else the weekend I was down in AC. Couldn't have been more people out partying at Revel while i was there.
 

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I am the market they were betting on - early 30's, good NYC job, willing to roll the dice. If they would offer me a comped ride down and back door to door, a comped room for fri and sat night, and club entry then I would go once a month with the wifey or friends. Get people down there, and we'll spend $150 each on a steak and wine dinner, gamble all night long, and probably buy a couple bottles in their club. But I'm not gonna spend +$300 a night to stay in AC no matter how nice the room is, and I dont have a car to drive down there, so right now Revel is out of luck.
 

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Not sure if you are correct on not having the partiers? The lines at Revel were 10X longer than the lines at Borgata and anywhere else the weekend I was down in AC. Couldn't have been more people out partying at Revel while i was there.

Hmm, probably dependent on the night. They might have booked a particular DJ that night or something. I can only go based off the 5 or so times I've been down there last summer.
 

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Hmm, probably dependent on the night. They might have booked a particular DJ that night or something. I can only go based off the 5 or so times I've been down there last summer.

Its possible, either way they are doing something wrong to be losing all that money
 

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