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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    I will definitely update this monday after I tell her
    Will you have a televised show on CNBC like Lebron James did on ESPN announcing your destination?
    Please let me know so I can set up my DVR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    Will you have a televised show on CNBC like Lebron James did on ESPN announcing your destination?
    Please let me know so I can set up my DVR.
    "I am taking my talents to Company A"
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    "I am taking my talents to Company A"
    haha
    Justin has a sense of humor afterall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    Will you have a televised show on CNBC like Lebron James did on ESPN announcing your destination?
    Please let me know so I can set up my DVR.

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    So justin could you go into any kind of detail about what it is about you never liked about company B and why company A was such a better fit?
    Since you are leaving company B can you tell us just how egregious the lies were that they told you before hiring on?
    We all know its very common for a company to over promise in the interview process.
    Just trying to figure out if there's was more so then normal.

    I know you said it was a long story but you also know that I live for Justin Cruise threads.
    No story can be too long if its about my forum hero Justin Cruise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    didn't you say your uncle got you the job??? are you at all concerned about burning a bridge in your own family? considering he got you the in, I'd have run any of this by him first as it sounds like he is a good mentor.
    that's actually a good point. It was my cousin that helped me get the interview for the job that I am now leaving. I called her first to explain everything to her and she understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    didn't you say your uncle got you the job??? are you at all concerned about burning a bridge in your own family? considering he got you the in, I'd have run any of this by him first as it sounds like he is a good mentor.
    If he is a good uncle he would understand and not hold that against him.
    If his uncle does hold that against him his uncle sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    didn't you say your uncle got you the job??? are you at all concerned about burning a bridge in your own family? considering he got you the in, I'd have run any of this by him first as it sounds like he is a good mentor.
    I wasn't aware of that. I'd def let him in on this before hand. Might piss him off to find out 2nd hand. He deserves to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    If he is a good uncle he would understand and not hold that against him.
    If his uncle does hold that against him his uncle sucks.
    He should at least be told.
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    Justin Cruise = drama queen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by festeringZit View Post
    Justin Cruise = drama queen.
    No shit. You took a job, you found a better one. So take it...

    This isn't an ethical question it's a common sense one. If you feel the company will pay you more, is more of what you want to do and will be a better long term fit, then take it???
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    So justin could you go into any kind of detail about what it is about you never liked about company B and why company A was such a better fit?
    Since you are leaving company B can you tell us just how egregious the lies were that they told you before hiring on?
    We all know its very common for a company to over promise in the interview process.
    Just trying to figure out if there's was more so then normal.

    I know you said it was a long story but you also know that I live for Justin Cruise threads.
    No story can be too long if its about my forum hero Justin Cruise.
    For one thing I was flat out lied to about the benefit package. My manager also told me she would spend the first two weeks with me for hands on training. I saw her for one hour on my first day and haven't seen her since. This has made my first two weeks complete hell. I was also under the impression that this firm would be holding my investment licenses, only to find out after I started that they were going to let them expire because they decided they weren't a necessity in a management role. In the interview process they completely hid the fact that the territory for my sales people was in direct competition with the sales staff for another department, which basically would cut our results in half and make our numbers look bad to the big wigs (both departments selling the same things). I was told that it would be a 50 hour work week only to find out from other employees after I started that to hit our goals it is at least a 90 hour work week. Finally the bonus structure was nothing like they spoke of in the interviews (i should have asked to see it in writing before I started)

    There are some other culture type things as well. But most of this stuff I could have gotten past. Company A was my first choice all along I just thought they had dropped me from the process when really they hadn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    For one thing I was flat out lied to about the benefit package. My manager also told me she would spend the first two weeks with me for hands on training. I saw her for one hour on my first day and haven't seen her since. This has made my first two weeks complete hell. I was also under the impression that this firm would be holding my investment licenses, only to find out after I started that they were going to let them expire because they decided they weren't a necessity in a management role. In the interview process they completely hid the fact that the territory for my sales people was in direct competition with the sales staff for another department, which basically would cut our results in half and make our numbers look bad to the big wigs (both departments selling the same things). I was told that it would be a 50 hour work week only to find out from other employees after I started that to hit our goals it is at least a 90 hour work week. Finally the bonus structure was nothing like they spoke of in the interviews (i should have asked to see it in writing before I started)

    There are some other culture type things as well. But most of this stuff I could have gotten past. Company A was my first choice all along I just thought they had dropped me from the process when really they hadn't.
    I call bullshit on: "at least a 90 hour work week"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    shouldn't 90% of what you were deceived about been in writing in your contract (bonus structure, benefits, compensation, etc)
    yea where is your contract or your job description to call them out with?



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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    shouldn't 90% of what you were deceived about been in writing in your contract (bonus structure, benefits, compensation, etc)
    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    For one thing I was flat out lied to about the benefit package. My manager also told me she would spend the first two weeks with me for hands on training. I saw her for one hour on my first day and haven't seen her since. This has made my first two weeks complete hell. I was also under the impression that this firm would be holding my investment licenses, only to find out after I started that they were going to let them expire because they decided they weren't a necessity in a management role. In the interview process they completely hid the fact that the territory for my sales people was in direct competition with the sales staff for another department, which basically would cut our results in half and make our numbers look bad to the big wigs (both departments selling the same things). I was told that it would be a 50 hour work week only to find out from other employees after I started that to hit our goals it is at least a 90 hour work week. Finally the bonus structure was nothing like they spoke of in the interviews (i should have asked to see it in writing before I started)

    There are some other culture type things as well. But most of this stuff I could have gotten past. Company A was my first choice all along I just thought they had dropped me from the process when really they hadn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mplastered View Post
    He should at least be told.
    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    you put your neck on the line for a family member you'd probably at least like to know firsthand what you are considering and not hear after the fact, let alone when everyone else is hearing
    not to mention, and no offense to Justincruise (okay well sort of offense to him), but how good can a company or role be when you slot into it as the #1 person in the country at that position when you have had no prior experience or related experience to speak of? i'm sure there's more behind that part of his story that would be interesting to hear but we won't hear much about the role given he wouldn't answer bigtendominator's questions about the role that he is now leaving, lol
    Quote Originally Posted by mplastered View Post
    I wasn't aware of that. I'd def let him in on this before hand. Might piss him off to find out 2nd hand. He deserves to know.
    Did you guys not see my post from earlier? It was my cousin not uncle. And I called her first to let her know before anyone else.

    And dsethi, I do have prior experience. Like I said I am a licensed investment advisor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    that's actually a good point. It was my cousin that helped me get the interview for the job that I am now leaving. I called her first to explain everything to her and she understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    yea my question is how did you not see any of this in writing

    did you just sign some contract that said 'here's your yearly salary, here's your vacation, here's the insurance offerings we provide, etc etc etc? or was this just under the table (as it is very much starting to sound like)
    it was literally just a one page front and back contract stating my salary and vacation days. I unfortunately took them at their word on benefits and bonus structure. And don't get me wrong, the benefits and bonus aren't terrible. And if I didn't have this other offer I would have no grounds to leave. I was simply misled in some ways as to "how great" this position would be. but luckily it all worked out in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    Did you guys not see my post from earlier? It was my cousin not uncle. And I called her first to let her know before anyone else.

    And dsethi, I do have prior experience. Like I said I am a licensed investment advisor.
    A license does not =experience.
    Certified does not=qualified
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    So from no job and/or experience to the number 1 person in the country at that position?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsethi View Post
    wtf is going on here
    I don't think you have read this whole thread or maybe you are confused?
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    Sounds like a 21 year old trying to take over the world.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHOPTALK View Post
    A license does not =experience.
    Certified does not=qualified
    yea not lots of experience. But to become investment licensed (series 7 and series 66) you have to work for a broker dealer. So I have a couple years which isn't a lot, but it's more then none as dsethi put it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KillaRSox View Post
    Sounds like a 21 year old trying to take over the world.....

    I wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustinCruise View Post
    For one thing I was flat out lied to about the benefit package. My manager also told me she would spend the first two weeks with me for hands on training. I saw her for one hour on my first day and haven't seen her since. This has made my first two weeks complete hell. I was also under the impression that this firm would be holding my investment licenses, only to find out after I started that they were going to let them expire because they decided they weren't a necessity in a management role. In the interview process they completely hid the fact that the territory for my sales people was in direct competition with the sales staff for another department, which basically would cut our results in half and make our numbers look bad to the big wigs (both departments selling the same things). I was told that it would be a 50 hour work week only to find out from other employees after I started that to hit our goals it is at least a 90 hour work week. Finally the bonus structure was nothing like they spoke of in the interviews (i should have asked to see it in writing before I started)

    There are some other culture type things as well. But most of this stuff I could have gotten past. Company A was my first choice all along I just thought they had dropped me from the process when really they hadn't.
    You certainly cannot stay at a job that makes you work 90hours a week.
    If you worked 90 hours a week that would seriously cut into your thread posting at therx and we cannot have that.
    I was already getting secretly pissed at your new company deep inside because I noticed that you were not posting as much the last 2 weeks.
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