Asking for a local

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

you gotta love these posts....these guys who come on here and ask for a local and give the best reasons....

1. my local got arrested
2. my local moved his operation
3. my local stiffed me and I always paid on time
4. i have numerous friends I want to set up but my local cant handle the volume
5. i am a dime player but my local only takes a nickel and below

this shit is the best humor.....and then ask them to post up and its like a fart in the wind....

Murphy8276 · Jan 24, 2013

most people consider local being credit only is why.

I understand why one would ask them to postup because they dont know them.. but then these guys would just deposit to whatever book and get a 100% bonus deeming a local mute.

I would think for both parties.. there is way too much risk going with a "local" on a forum...just my opinion anyway.. neither side knows neither side more than likely and one wants post-up and other wants credit.. doesnt mesh at all

so it all comes with the territory I suppose

-murph

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

murph...if someone wanted a local meaning not an offshore, bc really a "local" can be anywhere with all the technology we have, you think it would be wrong for a local to ask for post up from someone not in his immediate area?

Murphy8276 · Jan 24, 2013

gmenknicks said:
murph...if someone wanted a local meaning not an offshore, bc really a "local" can be anywhere with all the technology we have, you think it would be wrong for a local to ask for post up from someone not in his immediate area?

I dont think its "wrong".. u misunderstood me. I think its more pointless for someone to use a local when postup can be done at 100s of books online and you can get bonuses or things like safety of the book in question (although this obviously has its own faults and potentials for bad things to happen which we all have seen many times over when a book stiffs). Basically trusting the "local" on the other hand is just the same as trusting a no-name book for the first time.. and its also quite similar to you asking for postup....only problem is where is there security that you will pay?.. u get the postup protection and the new bettor: they get nothing?

Seems to me meeting on a forum without years of proven legitimacy by both parties would not work out well or have disadvantages for one side at all times.

I have no personal interest in local betting, but I can definitely tell you that if I were looking for a local I would want to go to someone who I know personally would pay.. just the same as you expect someone to vouch for a new player or require post-up.

-murph

PayWithPercocet · Jan 24, 2013

Man, I've just learned to gloss over all those posts... On any forum, anywhere. Right? I mean it's always someone with >100 posts looking for a bookie because they're either broke and can't post up, or they're in a hole to their actual local and looking for somewhere to take a shot and win some of it back with the obvious intention of stiffing if it goes the other way (and it will, it always does).

When I first became commissioner of my fantasy league, I made the mistake of taking on a of "team" like this and set the number really low (like 300 points) this guy actually got 320 points his 1st week in the league, but the next week when he went backwards 1k points he was nowhere to be found. Lesson learned. At least it only cost about 1300 points. The people who deserve a local don't publicly ask for one... the people who ask for one on a public forum, cannot handle credit.

The same story gets repeated over and over again on every forum. One of the very few downsides to great sites like this one.

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

Murph if you started a Pph and asked me for 500 post up and would give me 1500 credit I would do it... Sure we don know each other but someone like you cares about your online reputation and I would take a calculated risk that you are just as trustworthy and or risky as an offshore at this point.

Quite a few posters on the forums I have dealt with that I would trust to book my action and would gladly post up with...

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

But murph you also are not an impartial player is this discussion... Without offshore you do not have a mod job. So of course you would naturally take the position that offshore is much better and safer than finding a local on this site

CHOPTALK · Jan 24, 2013

I think Murph is solid but I have learned being a mod does not exempt people from being stiffs.
I can think of 7 or 8 examples at least.

What is the average credit limit for the players in a typical PPH fantasy league?

Murphy8276 · Jan 24, 2013

gmenknicks said:
Murph if you started a Pph and asked me for 500 post up and would give me 1500 credit I would do it... Sure we don know each other but someone like you cares about your online reputation and I would take a calculated risk that you are just as trustworthy and or risky as an offshore at this point.

Quite a few posters on the forums I have dealt with that I would trust to book my action and would gladly post up with...

I agree with what you are saying and yes I know for sure I am trustworthy and know plenty of others who would be as the pph or the guy asking for credit too.. but I am just saying that it takes a relationship built or realized in order to gain that right...so a new guy posting on the forum has both disadvantages.. he would want a credit line and he would not know who the legitimate guys were who would be asking for postup.

I just think its difficult to have a perfect mesh without the relationship existing prior is all. In the end I personally don't bet locally because I like to be realistic and upfront with what means I have to pay and what limits I deserve to be betting at.. and to me posting up makes more sense as then the proof is in the pudding on my end.. the other end is still in question, but I try to be the best judge I can with all information available.

-murph

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

Green bars are helpful for credibility purposes IMO... Not the deciding factor but would be considered

halekulani · Jan 24, 2013

well for those who have stuck around long enough people will know if ur batshit crazy already.

$tinky · Jan 24, 2013

There are probably a few good local bookies or agents on the forums and there are probably a few honorable credit worthy players. Reputation and word of mouth are the way for these people to be connected to one another. This is why its so important not to ruin your reputation. Reputation means about 10% as much on the internet as is does in real life to most. I guess it should be equal. I'm pretty sure its equal to me. It's just reputation period to me.

One thing I know for a fact. The difference between being a winning and a losing gambler CAN very easily be the quality or your outs. Try getting good outs when you've slow paid or stiffed others in the past.

I remember when I first saw the forums, I actually made a thread looking for an out. I did not realize how stupid that was at the time. I actually found one decent guy that lasted for years and found about 6 that were shot takers.

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

stinky I agree that your rep is your rep and should be the same online and in real life....unfortunately men don't care about their word and rep anymore...

but as far as finding a pph or local on here I know a few i would trust and others I could ask for references....i think finding a good local or pph is an easier task than finding a very safe, honest and reliable offshore at the moment.

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

and as a side note Stinky your reputation is known to be a solid person who keeps his word....

CHOPTALK · Jan 24, 2013

gmenknicks said:
i think finding a good local or pph is an easier task than finding a very safe, honest and reliable offshore at the moment.

I cant agree with this.
I dont care how long a local has been around or how good there reputation is.
There is no day that I will ever trust any local as much as a do a sportsbook like Bookmaker or 5 dimes.
I would trust Bookmaker with 6 figures even to this day. Not that I have or had anything near that much there.

I would not trust a PPH with more then 10 or 12K of my money before getting nervous.

No matter how good there rep is they always pay until they dont.

And in this internet age and all these PPH shops that allow people to open an account with as few as 3 customers this allows every Tom, Dick, and Harry in the world to play bigshot bookie.

Bookies love to talk about the players stiffs but there are just as many per percentage of bad bookies as there are bad players.

Just my 2.

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

fair point chop...but lets look at it....i agree about BM...they are the best in class top of the world.....but IMO they are likely to either give up their US business or be thwarted by the justice dept at some point.....so that risk always exists for US players...BM is great until they are attacked by the Feds or pull a Greek.....so great until they are not great.....

5 dimes is a whole other issue....check peeps, and I know you do, and other forums and tell me you trust them with anything more than 5k? If you do I respect that..I dont...and not bc of any financial issues at all....They could just fuck you if they felt like it and you could do nothing but cry to the forums....it seems tony gets off on his power and has told quite a few people to pound sand....would it happen to you ?? probably not...but i just dont like the attitude that company conveys.....

now for the average 100-200 per game player its my opinion that its worth it to try and find a good pph with credit....like you for example..if you said you were running a pph I would be inclined to trust you with minimal safeguards ...I certainly trust choptalk more than bet jefe, or some of these other crazy books out there....

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

offshore has so much risk right now....i fucking hate that its this way but it is... you really think they don't know about 5 dimes and BM??? how long until they make it so uncomfortable for these books to deal with US players?? this is the federal fucking govt here..

CHOPTALK · Jan 24, 2013

gmenknicks said:
offshore has so much risk right now....i fucking hate that its this way but it is... you really think they don't know about 5 dimes and BM??? how long until they make it so uncomfortable for these books to deal with US players?? this is the federal fucking govt here..

Its a bad situation no matter which way you choose.
Do I select bad or do I select worse?

No good options.

I just think that with all the new PPH shops popping up these days(charging almost nothing) letting anyone under the sun the ability to play big shot bookie with only 3 customers is a recipe for disaster.
I have never formally booked action in my entire life, but the internet has made this so easy I could have a PPH account setup and have a 10 player sheet before the first NBA game tips off tomorrow night.
This has and will drive the quality of the local way way down and greatly increase the odds of the player getting the shaft.

gmenknicks · Jan 24, 2013

yes thats all true.....we are seeing that now...the rise of the pph shop with offshore dwindling....and the market will weed out the bad ones and it will settle down after awhile....

so chop whats stopping you from doing what you are saying? if you have the bank, the players, and the knowledge why not give it a go at running a fantasy league