one of the stats they used was "who led his team in scoring, assists & rebounding" in more games
really? we all know MJ wasn't known for "rebounding", just winning more.
and MJ didn't shop his talents around with two other all-stars either, looking to buy a championship
really? we all know MJ wasn't known for "rebounding", just winning more.
and MJ didn't shop his talents around with two other all-stars either, looking to buy a championship
What is wrong with wanting to play with 2 other all stars? Most of the great players in NBA history got to play with 1-2 other all stars on their teams. It isn't his fault Cleveland couldn't provide even 1 low-end all-star in 7 years....
At the time I understood why people hated on LeBron, cause he looked like a douche doing the decision, not 4-5-6-7 etc but I'm surprised people hate on him for going to Miami now.
What do you (or anyone else can chime in) think he should've done in that situation? I don't really see any obligation to do anything else.
If it were me I would've either gone Miami or NYK but Miami already had Wade in place and it seems like Bosh wanted to go there too.
One thing I will say and I can't prove it but it is just obvious, is you put many of the best players on the '03-10 Cavs in the current era of free agency, player movement, endorsements, big markets etc and I think people would be surprised how many guys are staying in Cleveland in that spot. You think Larry Bird is signing up for 5 more years to play for the Cavs in his prime with Mo Williams as his sidekick? I can't prove he or other greats wouldn't, but I'd bet against it and highly doubt it.
This isn't really directed at just you either willie, my friend was arguing this when we were watching game 7 that he should've stayed in Cle cause he is from there, stick it out, etc...it's like you go live there and stick it out.
It was stacked enough to win 6 NBA Championships. Two of those players you mention above are NBA HOF players. I feel three future HOFers on one team playing together makes a team pretty stacked.
Lebron, Wade and Allen are the only HOF players on the Heat and LBJ only played with Allen this year.
What do mean not exactly stacked?
Pippen and Rodman are HOFers and 2 of the best defensive players of all time. Kukoc obviously very solid....Also Phil Jackson is 1 of the best coaches (if not the best) of all time
Anyway, do you think LeBron should've stayed in Cle? I just don't get that thinking and that is what I am asking about.
playoff series? is that what they're playing for?
thanks Shub....I'm not really trying to debate how good/not good the 1990s Chicago Bulls supporting cast was, I think everyone can agree it was pretty good (and at the very least significantly better than the '03-10 Cleveland Cavaliers) with a future HOFer for 6 years and Rodman for 3. Grant was a very good PF before Rodman but anyway...
So now LeBron becomes a FA and decides to go to Miami to play with 2 other all star caliber players, why would this be wrong? What was he supposed to do? His team was deficient and in a small market place that most rich 20 something internationally famous people would not want to live.
I'm just wondering, what do people think he was supposed to do?
it is what it is, nothing more and nothing less
in his desire to win a championship, he got together with two other all-star free agents and decided they were all going to sign with the same team. Something unprecedented in American sports.
if that's going to be the trend, I'm not going to like it
and I'm not going to respect him for doing that either
lets just say we have a different standard for being "stacked"
all the other stuff I dislike about him is just piling on. the decision, blaming the outrage against him on racism, hurting his community by the tactless process, not 4, not 5......, complaining about officials when he's the most protected player in the game, complaining about every call made in the game (even when he's not involved), posing, saying he should of won an award he didn't win, compelled to respond to everything yada yada yada
So if you get drafted by Cleveland a small market team that other top players don't want to go to, then you play there 4 years, re-sign there for another 3 and in those 7 years for the most part the team can't adequately surround you with talent, you can't moveon to go play with better players? What is he supposed to stay ther his whole life?
A big reason it is unprecedentd in american sports is because free agency has only been around like 20 years and only about 14 with the new NBA CBA. I'm sure you will see more top players move from team to team to be in a spot they want to be in. If you are going to make similar $ salary wise you are highly incentivized to want to play in a winning big market.
This has happened before just via trades, so it is OK for guys to come together via trades but not free agency? I don't see how that makes sense. If you want to play on a good team and your team doesn't draft or trade for good players, that is the only option you have of playing on a good team.
The Celtics big 3 just did it and Kevin Garnett is on record as saying he wishes he went to the Celtics earlier in his career because you can't get your prime years in your 20s back.
I think some of the reason people hate on LeBron for it is because of WHERE he went. Miami, a soulless, touristy place that has no bball history. Basically just a rich 26 year old dude like I'm gonna go to the place with the most hot euro models I can.
If he went NYK or Chicago with similarly equipped teams, I don't think people kill him for it as much.
he made a bunch a roll players NBA champions
what did any one of those guys win without him?
c'mon patsfan, the players don't initiate trades. Two parties have to agree
and KG didn't want to leave MN, did he? says something about loyalty and character IMO
the C's gave up players AND 1st round draft picks in those trades. They gave up something, and something of value.
the Heat did neither
