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[h=1]Best value bets for UFC 162[/h][h=3]Silva is undefeated, but value may be on Weidman on Saturday night[/h]
By John Candido | FightMetric
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UFC 162 will carry that unique mystique that accompanies an event that could be history in the making. Anderson Silva, arguably the greatest pound-for-pound fighter in the world, will be defending his middleweight belt for the 10th time, this time against surging contender Chris Weidman, who seems to have many of the tools that make him a bona fide matchup problem for Silva. In addition, Frankie Edgar looks to regain his dominant form against youngster Charles Oliveira in the featherweight division.

Let's break down the odds and statistics behind the Saturday night fights to see where the value lies.

<center>[h=3]Anderson Silva (minus-230) vs. Chris Weidman (plus-180)[/h]</center>
If you just took the odds as an indication, Weidman will pose the biggest threat in recent history to finally ending Silva's undefeated run in UFC. The reason, perhaps, is the combination of an aging champion -- Silva is 38 years old, compared to Weidman at 29 -- and a challenger who has the perfect skill set to pull off a gigantic upset in the middleweight division.
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After Silva's first fight with Chael Sonnen, it was apparent that Silva had an exploitable weakness in defending the takedown and staying on his feet against a competent wrestler. By successfully landing four out of 11 takedowns in two fights, Sonnen in effect designed the blueprint for how to defeat Silva. This especially was true because Sonnen, in the first fight, was able to convert these takedowns into top position, which Sonnen held for most of the fight, or at the very least the rounds in which he put Silva on his back.

With Weidman possessing a similar pedigree, the former NCAA All-American wrestler from Hofstra has been able to land an incredibly high 4.47 takedowns per 15 minutes in his undefeated nine-fight career. But Weidman also has an active submission game, attempting 1.38 submissions per 15 minutes and winning three fights in this manner from top position. In addition, one of Weidman's most impressive statistics is his ability to dominate in grappling matchups, with a perfect 100 percent takedown defense in his career.

Silva is one of MMA's most dangerous fighters standing up, holding the record for knockdowns landed with 17, so it's unlikely that Weidman will leave this fight standing for long. Given that he never has been on the wrong end of a grappling match, Weidman surely will use his wrestling ability to put Silva on his back and employ Sonnen's game plan. With Weidman also possessing the ability to close out the fight via submission, consider him, as a sizable plus-180 underdog, a good bet to finally bring the aging veteran's reign to a close.

Insider value pick: Weidman



<center>[h=3]Frankie Edgar (minus-550) vs. Charles Oliveira (plus-425)[/h]</center>
As the man who essentially sent UFC legend BJ Penn into semi-retirement, Edgar somehow has found himself in the odd position as one of the most underrated fighters in MMA. Due to three close decision losses that all occurred in title fights (but easily could have gone in his favor), he comes into this fight at a lower weight class on a three-fight losing streak.

Edgar is one of the most prolific strikers in UFC history, having the sixth-most significant strikes landed of all time (827). But while Edgar is best known for his ability to set an exhausting pace on his opponents and win exchanges, Oliveira actually enters this fight with a higher average strikes landed per minute rate than Edgar -- 3.73 SLpM to 3.23 SLpM, respectively. Oliveira also impressively has landed these strikes at a more efficient rate than Edgar (46 percent to Edgar's 38 percent).

The difference, however, comes in Edgar's ability to fluidly move in and out of the pocket, taking minimal damage. Edgar takes less damage, with a SApM rate of 2.22 to Oliveira's 2.62, and successfully defends an incredibly high 72 percent of strikes compared to Oliveira's 65 percent. Edgar's ability to avoid being finished also somewhat negates one of Oliveira's biggest strengths -- his high 3.65 submissions per 15 minutes rate, which he has used to gain nine submission victories.
However, despite his seeming superiority, the reason Edgar isn't a great value is that Oliveira can inflict serious damage, and he's just 23 (Edgar is 31). With Oliveira's ability progressing with each successive fight, this might not be a walk in the park for Edgar. But he should have the experience and superior ability to gain his first win since 2011. With too many variables possibly at play, consider the minus-550 odds in Edgar's favor exactly where they should be and stay away from this fight.

Insider value pick: Stay away



<center>[h=3]Gabriel Gonzaga (minus-250) vs. Dave Herman (plus-190)[/h]</center>
Herman hasn't exactly inspired confidence in fans and bettors in his past three outings. He was finished in each of them and, even worse, showed a seemingly careless game plan, so it might seem counterintuitive for him to be a trustworthy value at all. He also failed a drug test after his most recent fight and faces the formidable Gonzaga, who is fighting for his UFC life.

Despite his recent reputation of being unreliable, Herman's overall MMA record is more than impressive. Before dropping the past three against some of the top talent in the heavyweight division, Herman was a respectable 21-2, with one of the two losses coming via disqualification due to illegal knees. In addition, one of Herman's most impressive statistics is that 15 of his 21 wins have been by KO/TKO, showing the propensity to land heavy hands and finish fights definitively.

Big power has been a huge problem for Gonzaga, who also has been inconsistent. Six of Gonzaga's seven career losses have come by KO/TKO, so he's been more than susceptible to knockout artists such as Herman. Add to this the fact that Herman lands almost double the strikes per minute (4.43 to 2.33) and it's likely Herman has the edge over Gonzaga standing up. Gonzaga, on the other hand, has found most of his success in the ground game, with the majority of his victories coming by submission (nine of 14 career wins). Against Herman, however, Gonzaga won't have the guarantee of taking this fight to the ground, as Herman successfully defends an above-average 63 percent of attempts.

With the younger Herman (28) facing 34-year-old Gonzaga, who is taking this fight on short notice, the plus-190 odds seem like a terrific deal, regardless of his recent track record.

Insider value pick: Herman



<center>[h=3]Edson Barboza (minus-550) vs. Rafaello Oliveira (plus-400)[/h]</center>
Before his undefeated winning streak came to an end against Jamie Varner, Barboza seemed to be one of the most dangerous and promising young fighters in the UFC. The loss, however, shouldn't be taken as an indication of weakness, as the experienced brawler Varner has a history of making technical fighters look bad. Also, if his previous fight was any indication, Barboza has returned to dominant form, finishing off Lucas Martins with strikes less than three minutes into the first round. Against the technically inferior Oliveira, the outcome shouldn't be any different.

Barboza's ability to pick apart opponents in the stand-up is almost second to none. With a high 3.9 SLpM compared to the shorter Oliveira's 2.17 and a reach advantage of 3.5 inches, Barboza should have no obstacles in putting on another dominant stand-up performance.
Historically, Oliveira's game plan has been to get opponents to the ground and implement his submission game. A Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt, Oliveira has done this with a 2.76 takedowns-per-15 minutes rate and a 1.77 submissions-per-15 minutes rate. Against Barboza, he will have an incredibly hard time taking the fight there, as Barboza holds an impressive 75 percent takedown defense. (Excluding the Varner fight, Barboza's takedown defense is an even higher 83 percent.)

Because Oliveira's ability comes more from a Brazilian jiu-jitsu background (against which Barboza has had previous success), as opposed to a pure wrestling background (what Varner used against Barboza), it isn't likely that Oliveira will execute his grappling game plan without taking some severe damage in the process. Given Oliveira's previous inability to avoid danger when standing with superior strikers, the bigger, superior and more technical Barboza should dominate. Even with the inflated odds at minus-550, consider Barboza nearly a sure thing.

Insider value pick: Barboza
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value on Weidman +180? he was as high as +225 a few weeks ago.

I can see wanting to bet on him if you like him, but the time to do so has passed unless you really like him.

Gimme Anderson at -220
 

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value on Weidman +180? he was as high as +225 a few weeks ago.

I can see wanting to bet on him if you like him, but the time to do so has passed unless you really like him.

Gimme Anderson at -220
I really like him, and he sits at +195 right now for me...Ready for the fights tmw night
 

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I really like him, and he sits at +195 right now for me...Ready for the fights tmw night

You see him winning by decision Matt?

Just think it is tough to L&P for 5 rds. Chael never hurt Anderson really, not sure why Wiedman would....

Just asking, I respect your opinion obviously...
 

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You see him winning by decision Matt?

Just think it is tough to L&P for 5 rds. Chael never hurt Anderson really, not sure why Wiedman would....

Just asking, I respect your opinion obviously...

I actually think Weidman can KO or sub as well. Only thing that concerns me with this right is the 5 rounds and Weidman fading, which results in bad mistakes, usually ending the fight with Silva...we shall see...I see a ton of value on this card, and will be placing wagers and a write-up sometime between now and tmw afternoon. Have a great weekend bud!
 

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It does concern me that Media and talk shows and sports radio have taken a liking to Weidman in this fight. I've been talking about Weidman for years now before the UFC hype came alive. Just hope he produces a fight that I know he is capable of bc this could be very exciting and a great matchup if so...
 

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i've always taken silva
dude is just too much of a beast to bet against

parlayed silva and rory macdonald for the next ufc in late july i think
 

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I actually think Weidman can KO or sub as well. Only thing that concerns me with this right is the 5 rounds and Weidman fading, which results in bad mistakes, usually ending the fight with Silva...we shall see...I see a ton of value on this card, and will be placing wagers and a write-up sometime between now and tmw afternoon. Have a great weekend bud!

I can't see him KOing Silva, just can't see it. Silva's head movement for an MMA fighter is way too elite, how are you gonna catch him standing up? On the ground his BJJ is elite....Unless Wiedman is way more lethal of a fighter than I think he is I just don't see him being able to hurt Silva like that but we'll see...

A lot of good fights coming up in UFC....Hendricks/GSP, JDS/Cain 3, Benson/Pettis or Grant
 

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I don't see much value in the dogs on this card at all. Silva at -220 or -230 is a steal. Gonzaga is going to KTFO Herman, guy will be cut from the UFC after he loses his 4th straight.

My favorite bet on the card is close to even money on Munoz over Boetsch.
 

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I don't see much value in the dogs on this card at all. Silva at -220 or -230 is a steal. Gonzaga is going to KTFO Herman, guy will be cut from the UFC after he loses his 4th straight.

My favorite bet on the card is close to even money on Munoz over Boetsch.

Disagree on no value in the doggies on this card. I see quite a few, and even a dog that prob should be favored in Gracie (I do like the fav though), and even a dog (Oliviera +440) that should be around +250 tops. Edgar is tough as nails, but he has lost 3 in a row, and Oliviera isn't scared. Frankie should win, but he's gonna need one of his epic battles to do so I believe... Munoz Boetsch is a toss up. No value in either one. Never know what you're gonna get with Boetsch, and Munoz is in great shape, but could get KO'd again, or L&P'd on...Guess it is a good bet to take though with the reg house juice. Should be good fight. I don't think Gonzaga is a 2.5 to 1 fav to Herman. One of them is most likely getting KTFO in the first round, and I feel it could either one just as easily. Most likely Herman though, so he can be cut as stated. This card could become epic and one of the best cards for the UFC in awhile, and that has to do in large part to the value of the dogs tonight IMO. I'm excited to see it and anything can happen... ENJOY!
 

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hyped about the card tonight, going to the bar to watch it... I want to wager, but pretty sure I've never had a winning night on boxing or mma...
 

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following you on everything but Silva lol
I hear ya. I most likely am playing some huge faves in parlays, and then some doggies. I've put the parlay in already. Trying to decide now what to wager on the dogs.

-Oh, and I can't blame anyone for wanting to play Silva at basically 2 to 1. Bout the only opp to ever get that.
 

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I hear ya. I most likely am playing some huge faves in parlays, and then some doggies. I've put the parlay in already. Trying to decide now what to wager on the dogs.

-Oh, and I can't blame anyone for wanting to play Silva at basically 2 to 1. Bout the only opp to ever get that.

He was actually like -210 vs Belfort cause it came right after Sonnen1. Pretty crazy line in retrospect....

You really feel like this kid is live vs Edgar? I feel like with 3 straight tough decisions they're giving Edgar someone he can beat to build him back up. Also I can't imagine this guy gets any kind of close decision which hurts his equity a lot. I haven't seen him fight before but I'll probably stay away from that..
 

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He was actually like -210 vs Belfort cause it came right after Sonnen1. Pretty crazy line in retrospect....

You really feel like this kid is live vs Edgar? I feel like with 3 straight tough decisions they're giving Edgar someone he can beat to build him back up. Also I can't imagine this guy gets any kind of close decision which hurts his equity a lot. I haven't seen him fight before but I'll probably stay away from that..

Putting Edgar in Parlays most likely....Kids just too tough to stop, and grinds out decisions. He should want to and better win this fight by KO after the 3 loss streak
 

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Putting Edgar in Parlays most likely....Kids just too tough to stop, and grinds out decisions. He should want to and better win this fight by KO after the 3 loss streak

Huh? You said last night Oliveria should be +250 tops and he is +440, why would you put Edgar in parlays if hes such terrible value? You lost me...
 

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Huh? You said last night Oliveria should be +250 tops and he is +440, why would you put Edgar in parlays if hes such terrible value? You lost me...

I'm just not laying -600 on him in a single wager. I mean shit, I don't like to lay that for any fighter in single wagers, so certainly not one coming off a 3 loss streak...

I could also lay a single wager on Oli +440 and use Frankie in parlays to kill juice and make a little coin if Frankie wins like he should, and make a nice stack if this card becomes epic...
 

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I'm just not laying -600 on him in a single wager. I mean shit, I don't like to lay that for any fighter in single wagers, so certainly not one coming off a 3 loss streak...

Why would you put him in parlays if you think Oliveria is value was my question
 

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I'm parlaying a bunch of the faves here too. The ones that I really like are the big faves (pierce, Edgar, barboza) and the slighter faves I'm not as excited about. I really think the lines are set almost perfect for this card but since I'm a degenerate I'm hoping none of the better fighters get caught/robbed. Prob will work out horribly, but should be an awesome card. More excited for this one than any other card this year. Enjoy the fights fellas.
 

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