Former Pastor and Current Atheist: "Hardly anyone reads the Bible. If they did, the whole thing would be in trouble."

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HOUSTON -

More than 200 church leaders across the country now say they no longer believe in God, including a Houston-area pastor who was one of the first to publicly announce his decision.


Mike Aus, who was pastor at Theophilus church in Katy, made that announcement during an appearance on a Sunday morning show on MSNBC.
"Hardly anyone reads the Bible," said Aus on the "Up with Chris Hayes" program. "If they did, the whole thing would be in trouble."


Theophilus church members told Local 2 Investigates they were blind-sided by the announcement. They said they had no idea Aus had completely changed his beliefs until they saw him on the program.


"Are you going to preach next Sunday?" host Chris Hayes asked Aus.


"I'm going to go back next week and meet with my leadership and talk about where we go from here," said Aus. "We'll see."


Aus was a long-time Lutheran pastor at churches in the Houston area, but now he said he no longer believes in the message he had been preaching for almost 20 years. Aus declined Local 2's request for an interview. He said his statements on MSNBC explained his loss of faith.


"As I started to jettison the beliefs, I came to realize fairly recently there wasn't a whole lot left," Aus said.


The effect was immediate on his church with about 80 members. Weeks after his announcement, the church dissolved. Members did not want to talk with Local 2 on camera, but they said their pastor's complete change in faith was devastating.


"When a pastor comes forward and says, 'I don't believe anymore,' it rocks their world," said Dr. Keith Jenkins, a Methodist pastor and former president of the Houston Graduate School of Theology. "Members see pastors as spiritual super heroes."


Jenkins said many church leaders question and then lose their faith, but never before has it been a public phenomenon.


"It's almost gone viral," said Jenkins.


The website www.clergyproject.com has become a confidential gathering group for pastors, ministers and other church leaders who no longer believe in God. The group said it has more than 240 members. Some like Aus have gone public. Most other church leaders in that group have kept their new lack of belief hidden from others, including their congregations. They are secret atheists still serving churches and ministering to members even though they don't believe in what they preach anymore.


"I'm sure there are many pastors actively serving in churches who are going through a faith crisis and have lost their faith, but they haven't left because it's their livelihood," said Jenkins. "But they need to move on. They don't need to stay with a church and use their position as a pastor with sacred trust to try and take others with them."

http://www.click2houston.com/Church...sts/-/1736084/13654270/-/9lss8mz/-/index.html


 

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I spent my late teens and early 20s searching for God. My non-belief was solidly firmed up when I read the Bible front to back over the course of a year. Once I stopped searching and came to the realization that religion is bunk (to quote Edison) did I finally find internal peace. 95% of the people who malign me (online) haven't read the Bible as I have and I would be willing to wager that I know more about the Bible and Bible history than a majority of the people who call themselves Christian.

The words I bolded in the above article is something that I've said several times on this site, and it's absolutely a fact.
 
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You don't have to read the bible to believe in God. And you don't have to read or study the Bible to be a Christian.
 

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I spent my late teens and early 20s searching for God. My non-belief was solidly firmed up when I read the Bible front to back over the course of a year. Once I stopped searching and came to the realization that religion is bunk (to quote Edison) did I finally find internal peace. 95% of the people who malign me (online) haven't read the Bible as I have and I would be willing to wager that I know more about the Bible and Bible history than a majority of the people who call themselves Christian.

The words I bolded in the above article is something that I've said several times on this site, and it's absolutely a fact.

Ya know....i have no idea what to believe. I was raised catholic and always believed in God and heaven. Don't know if i still feel that way. Id like to believe but Im just no so sure anymore. Seems to me, when die, it's just all over....nothing after this. I hope im wrong.
 

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Ya know....i have no idea what to believe. I was raised catholic and always believed in God and heaven. Don't know if i still feel that way. Id like to believe but Im just no so sure anymore. Seems to me, when die, it's just all over....nothing after this. I hope im wrong.



Exactly how I feel.

There are arguments for both sides, but I'm just learning that more favors us being here by chance...
 

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So my question to everyone who is atheist, or on the fence....


What do you believe that Bible actually is, if it isn't legit?

At one point & time, I'm sure man ran amuck, with no rules, laws, common sense, respect towards others, and no order period.

So did a few wise men come together and state "For the sake of mankind's future, we have to come up with something to change life and everything as we know it".

So they decided to 'scare us' into believing that if we didn't live abiding by these rules, that we would pay the price after death.

They needed a World Order.

If this is the case, this is the greatest accomplishment in the history of mankind, still to this day having us all scared of this fiction book, and also the cruelest if we live our complete lives in fear, not living the lives we really wish to live. Especially when you consider if we die and that's it, that we can't look back and say "you sons a bitches... I wasted my life away because I believed this crap".

I still believe that the odds of us evolving from absolutely nothing into an almost perfect being with everything in the right places is tough to believe though.

One Christian Scientist described those odds as being as unlikely as a Tornado ripping through a junkyard full of airplanes, and after the tornado passed, not only were the planes assembled perfectly back together, but they also cranked up & ran as well.

Again.... I'm still in the middle
 

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NO serious question (I'm currently caught in the middle)...I just wanted to be sure before I asked your opinion on something..along with other atheists on the board

Ok, sorry.

I consider religion and god two separate entities. As far as religion goes, I'm an Atheist in that I don't believe that the god of any religion exists. Of that, I am absolutely convinced. As to the existence of a "god"...the only logical answer is "I don't know", so I guess that I would be classified as an agnostic in that aspect.
 

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So my question to everyone who is atheist, or on the fence....


What do you believe that Bible actually is, if it isn't legit?

At one point & time, I'm sure man ran amuck, with no rules, laws, common sense, respect towards others, and no order period.

So did a few wise men come together and state "For the sake of mankind's future, we have to come up with something to change life and everything as we know it".

So they decided to 'scare us' into believing that if we didn't live abiding by these rules, that we would pay the price after death.

They needed a World Order.

If this is the case, this is the greatest accomplishment in the history of mankind, still to this day having us all scared of this fiction book, and also the cruelest if we live our complete lives in fear, not living the lives we really wish to live. Especially when you consider if we die and that's it, that we can't look back and say "you sons a bitches... I wasted my life away because I believed this crap".

I believe you are spot on. Despite my contempt for religion, I believe it was a necessary evil, so to speak, in the early going.

I still believe that the odds of us evolving from absolutely nothing into an almost perfect being with everything in the right places is tough to believe though.

We are far, far far from being a perfect being. The human body is rife with vulnerabilities and defects that point directly to development over millions of years as opposed to being poofed into existence.

Also, we didn't evolve from nothing. It's easier when you separate abiogenesis from evolution. Evolution is the study of how we evolved from the first living organisms and abiogenesis is how that living matter came to be.

Keep in mind that for thousands of years, "God did it" was the only answer humans had because science (and it's precursor Natural Philosophy didn't exist yet), so I can understand how hard it is to wrap your head around it.

One Christian Scientist described those odds as being as unlikely as a Tornado ripping through a junkyard full of airplanes, and after the tornado passed, not only were the planes assembled perfectly back together, but they also cranked up & ran as well.

That's a pretty common Christian reply to evolution and when you look at it, it's a terrible analogy. Evolution proceeds in very small steps over inconceivably long stretches of time, not all at once as that failed analogy tries to claim.
 

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I like this. It's time to thin the heard of the non-believing pastors and the believng pastors.
 

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I like this. It's time to thin the heard of the non-believing pastors and the believng pastors.

I guess you didn't read the article.

The website www.clergyproject.com has become a confidential gathering group for pastors, ministers and other church leaders who no longer believe in God. The group said it has more than 240 members. Some like Aus have gone public. Most other church leaders in that group have kept their new lack of belief hidden from others, including their congregations. They are secret atheists still serving churches and ministering to members even though they don't believe in what they preach anymore.
 

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eventually our society will advance past this archaic belief in god
 

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when you see something terrible that has no explanation, beliefs start to flutter away for a lot of people. i haven't believed in god for a long time, but a trauma in my life confirmed my beliefs.
 

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another thread about religion started by our resident atheist

why does he continue to impose his belief system on others?

:think2:
 

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