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Do you guys realize if an agreement is not come to by Tuesday, all Federal employees (civilian non-essential) will be sent home and not paid? And all military members will be required to show up without pay?

Imagine if you are in Afghanistan getting shot at and you are told you will not be getting paid? Now, you will be eligible for back pay but who knows when that will happen.

I am confident though this will not happen.
 

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Washington (AFP) - The US military's nearly 1.4 million troops will stay on the job in the case of a government shutdown but they will not get paid, the Pentagon said Friday.
And if Congress fails to agree on a new budget measure by the close of the fiscal year on Monday, September 30, "roughly half" the Defense Department's nearly 800,000 strong civilian work force would be placed on unpaid leave, top officials said.
The war effort in Afghanistan and other high-priority missions would not be affected but most training and a range of maintenance work would be cancelled if Congress remains deadlocked, according to the Pentagon's top financial officer Robert Hale.
"We wouldn't be able to do most training, we couldn't enter into most new contracts, routine maintenance would have to stop," he told reporters.
Defense officials outlined how the military would operate under a shutdown as a deeply divided Congress argued over rival spending bills, with the clock ticking on the Monday deadline.
"Military personnel will not be paid until such time as Congress makes appropriated funds available to compensate them for this period of service," Deputy Defense Secretary Ash Carter wrote in a memo describing contingency plans for a shutdown.
The prospect of military service members and civilian employees having to temporarily forego pay due to acrimony in Congress could exact a high political price for some lawmakers, who often go to great lengths to cultivate the support of soldiers and workers at military bases.
With half of all civilian workers facing unpaid leave under a shutdown, the remaining 400,000 civilian employees would continue to work in areas deemed essential but they too would not be paid during the "lapse," Hale said.
There also was a "ghoulish" provision under the law that will delay any payments of death benefits to military families who lose loved ones during the government shutdown, Hale said.
However, employees involved in transporting the remains of war dead and arranging funeral services for fallen troops would continue their work.
Carl Levin, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, called the possible government closure "unconscionable" and urged Republicans in the House to pass a proposed budget bill that has already cleared the Senate.
"A shutdown would require our troops to go into combat while receiving only an IOU, put hundreds of thousands of DoD (Department of Defense) civilians on furlough without pay, and could even delay death benefits to the families of troops who fall in combat," Levin said.
The Pentagon released a long list of services deemed vital that would continue during a shutdown, including medical care, mess halls, child care, legal offices, logistics, training, department schools and some accounting sections.
Warships patrolling the Mediterranean, including those deployed for potential military action against Syria, would remain in place, and most of the naval fleet's operations would not be disrupted.
"I think most of the ships at sea would stay there," Hale said.
All training for the National Guard and reserves would be cancelled unless it was directly related to operations in Afghanistan or other missions considered critical to national security.
Work on contracts with defense companies could continue if funds have already been allocated.
Hale called the potential shutdown "one more blow to the morale of our civilian workforce," adding that "morale is already low" after automatic budget cuts forced furloughs for some civilian Pentagon employees.
The Defense Department placed more than 600,000 civilian workers on unpaid leave for several days due to the budget cuts, which are also the result of a political impasse in Congress.
The last time the US government closed its doors was in 1995.
 

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Agreed. The Tea Party Wingnuts are idiots, but they are not suicidal. A long Gov't shutdown ends most of their political careers, and gives the Dems control of all 3 branches through 2016.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity
 

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I would be fine with a government shutdown personally...... lets make it permanent.
 

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who cares

Not Congress :hahahahah

In the event of a government shutdown, hundreds of thousands of federal workers would be furloughed, not knowing if or when they'd get paid. Their paychecks would ultimately depend upon the benevolence of a fractious Congress, which decides whether to pass legislation retroactively paying workers for their lost time. But at least 535 civil servants in Washington don't have to worry about missed mortgage payments or mounting credit card debt due to a shutdown: the very members of Congress who threaten to grind government to a halt.

The salaries of Congress members, like the president, come from a pool of mandatory funds and aren't subject to the whims of lawmakers. If a shutdown happens, their checks keep coming, no matter what.
 

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Do you guys realize if an agreement is not come to by Tuesday, all Federal employees (civilian non-essential) will be sent home and not paid? And all military members will be required to show up without pay?

Imagine if you are in Afghanistan getting shot at and you are told you will not be getting paid? Now, you will be eligible for back pay but who knows when that will happen.

I am confident though this will not happen.

The troops are fine. Boner is trying hard to delay Obamacare for another year and I don't understand the rational behind it. Even if Reid gives in (he won't), then what would happen next year? Keep trying to postpone it?

Repubs need to realize that they shot themselves in the feet by appointing a dipshit liberal John Roberts as a Chief Justice who upheld another dipshit liberal agenda by giving the irresponsible and fat ass American FREE healthcare. You don't encourage people to be more responsible for their own well being by giving them a free pass to be irresponsible.
 

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Agreed. The Tea Party Wingnuts are idiots, but they are not suicidal. A long Gov't shutdown ends most of their political careers, and gives the Dems control of all 3 branches through 2016.

These Teahaddists would burn this country to the ground if they thought there was a chance they could catch Obama in the flames. Don't underestimate their desire to crash our economy. It's borderline treason IMO.
 

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I wish someone would clue me in on how this works. I must be missing something.

I was always taught in Civics class that ALL spending bills start in the House of Reps , go to the Senate and then the Pres signs it.

So if the House passes a Spending Bill, and it already has....1 last week and another today, just how exactly do the "Tea Party", which has exactly 3 votes in the Senate and none at the WH.....How does the House "shut down" the Govt ???

The only way i see a Govt shutdown, and i admit i took Civics many many years ago, is if the Senate and WH say No to the Spending Bill. That would be the same as saying We dont care if spending Bills start in the House you will pass the Bill the way we want it or we wont pass it at all. The people will have no say in the way we run the country....To Hell with the Constitution you will do as we say or else...

Another thing i dont understand......This "delaying the ACA" for a year. Already the President has waived the ACA requirements for over 1000 businesses and unions, He has delayed the Employer having to enroll all their employees in it for a year (this gives them 1 year to either disband their healthcare program, and over 30,000 have or cut all their employees hours to 30 a week making them exempt from having to pay for insurance) and signed an order saying ALL of Congress AND their aides , who's starting salaries avg around $150,000 a yr will have their ACA insurance payments paid for by the Govt because to pay for it would be to much of a burden............So basically EVERYONE but working Taxpayers (whos avg salaries are i believe closer to HALF of that of Congressional employees) ARE ALREADY EXEMPT from the ACA either permanently or for 1 year.

I have to be totally wrong about this on virtually every point because otherwise what we would have here is a Ruling Class of people passing laws that only affect the working class people and doing so by telling the Congress what THEY want instead of as the Constitution says Congress passing a Bill the people want. Why wouldnt that be at least Tyranny and at worst a Dictatorship??

Now i know nobody can find any points in my above scenario that im wrong about , though there are a LOT of clueless people who are ignorant to the way the Govt works and who really think that here 2 days before the deadline this just starting being talked about. You see Congress has been talking and debating this for a few months now. But The WH and Senate leadership HAS NEVER TALKED ABOUT IT AND REFUSE TO DO SO.....We are negotiating with Iran, Al-Queda and the Muslim Brotherhood about various issues but our Govt has declared their refusal to negotiate this Bill with anybody!!! So exactly how is the House of Representatives "shutting down the Govt" ??? I must be missing something somewhere...

PS.....The Democrats ARE burning this country and its constitution to the ground as a way to form a 1 party government, the only thing they are lacking is a complete crashing of the Economy which they are now prepared to do. You may have heard of a 1 party Govt , its usually referred to as a Tyrannical Govt. But alas forming a tyrannical govt would be a Treasonous Act ....So we have a group who stand for Treason accusing those who stand against Treason of being for Treason.......Are we talking about the Govt or a Saturday Night Live skit???
 

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I love the demagoguery spewed from the loony left towards the tea party. Obumbles is the greatest demagogue ever to sit in the White House and his mindless minions spew his propaganda religiously.

"And I just want to inform some of the folks there at CNN, the Tea Party is not like the reptile house at the zoo, this tiny group of people. It is people who are concerned about $17 trillion <nobr style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">in debt</nobr>, $90 trillion in unfunded liabilities. This president has added enormously to this. So it's kind of ironic that he's talking about paying our bills and the debt and so forth when he's accumulated so much of it."

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The person who is stopping the passage of an annual budget is Harry Reid. Harry Reid's working with the White House. The House as I understand it, keeps passing budgets, sending them to the Senate and they die. So I don't know what he's talking about. We need to have a budget every year, okay, tell your friend Harry to get a budget. You do control the Senate. You do control the White House. There are still some Democrats left in the House. And there's some French Republicans left in the House who will go along with you –


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Piss on the whole government shut all of it down. In the past 25 yrs is the worst I've ever seen out of the Federal Government. And this wanna be gangster we have as a President now is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Lock The White House up and tell them all good fucking luck.
 

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Piss on the whole government shut all of it down. In the past 25 yrs is the worst I've ever seen out of the Federal Government. And this wanna be gangster we have as a President now is the worst thing I have ever seen in my life. Lock The White House up and tell them all good fucking luck.
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For as bad as it is, imagine how much worse it would be if Pelosi was still the speaker...
 

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