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[h=1]Mo should be first unanimous Hall of Fame inductee[/h][h=2]Would be a fitting tribute for legendary closer, who has been nearly perfect[/h]By Richard Justice | Archive9/29/2013 4:44 P.M. ET





Rivera's scoreless relief00:01:34
10/16/03: In one of his longest postseason appearances, Yankees closer Mariano Rivera throws three scoreless innings against the Red Sox




HOUSTON -- Tom Seaver couldn't do it. Neither could Nolan Ryan nor Cal Ripken. Ty Cobb came up short, too.
Mariano Rivera?
Why not?
If baseball is ever going to have a unanimous Hall of Fame selection, Rivera ought to be it. This is his last challenge in baseball, the appropriate final touch to a 19-year career defined by greatness.
In 77 years of Hall of Fame balloting, no player has been named on every ballot. Seaver came the closest, getting the votes of 425 of 430 members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America who cast ballots (98.84 percent) in 1992.
Ryan made it onto 491 of 497 ballots (98.79 percent) in 1999, and Ripken, Cobb and George Brett all got better than 98 percent of the vote.
But no one has ever been unanimous.
Could Rivera be the first? Could someone come up with a reason for not voting for him?
Actually, the same question could have been asked of Seaver, Ryan et al. Someone can always find a justification for doing something dumb. Maybe Rivera's other goal could be beating Seaver's 98.84 voting percentage.
At a time when players have been stained by performance-enhancing drugs -- either by the acknowledgment that they used them or the suspicion by voters that they did -- Rivera pitched 19 seasons without the hint of any such scandal.
In terms of production on the field and good citizenship off it, no player has ever been closer to perfect than Rivera. If there's a reason against voting for him, it would have to be someone's bias against relievers getting into the Hall, or some other knucklehead logic.
Let's review.
First, there are the 652 regular-season saves, the most in history. Rivera was about winning, too. In 19 seasons, his Yankees missed the playoffs just twice. He was a member of five World Series championship teams and got the final out in four of them.
Rivera was at his best when the stakes were highest. In 96 postseason appearances, he compiled a 0.70 ERA and had 42 saves. He pitched 141 postseason innings, which is the equivalent of two full seasons as a closer.
Most of those appearances came in pressure situations for a franchise defined by its championships. That is, almost every single postseason appearance meant something. And 141 innings, he allowed 11 earned runs.
The Yankees rode him hard in the postseason. As former Yankees manager Joe Torre said the other day, "When he took the ball, you felt the game was over."
"You became a spectator," said Torre's successor, Joe Girardi.
Rivera was so efficient with his pitches that he could pitch more games than some other closers. He went more than an inning for 31 of his 42 postseason saves. He pitched two innings for 13 of them.
And there was the masterful three-inning shutdown of the Red Sox in Game 7 of the 2003 American League Championship Series. The Yankees and Red Sox were tied at 5-5 when Torre handed Rivera the ball in the ninth inning.
That was that.
He'd pitched two innings in Game 3 of that series and two more in Game 5 two days earlier. Yet with one day of rest, he took the ball and didn't give it back. The Yankees won it in the bottom of the 11th inning, and the Rivera legacy grew a bit more magical.
There have always been things about relievers that are harder to measure than other positions. For instance, every player, coach and manager will tell you that the toughest defeats to take happen after blowing a ninth-inning lead. Those are the ones likely to have a hangover impact.
That psychological impact cuts both ways. When teams played the Yankees, they saw the game as being eight innings long. If they didn't get the lead in the first eight, they had no chance in the ninth.
In the postseason, the Yankees' opponents had to do it by the seventh inning because they knew Torre or Girardi would be unafraid to call on Rivera for two innings.
There was something else about Rivera that was impossible to measure. His impact on the clubhouse, on the team, was dramatic.
Torre said that when a player joined the clubhouse, Rivera would approach the newcomer and welcome him to the club. If a player seemed uncomfortable being part of the great Yankees, Rivera attempted to find the words to calm him down.
Rivera would say that every player was in that clubhouse for the same reason, and that all anyone -- George Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, Torre or any of those millions of New Yorkers -- cared about was winning.
Few players in the great history of the Yankees have contributed more to that than Rivera, with his 652 saves. He's one of the Yankees who every other will always be measured against.
He was honored one final time on Sunday afternoon, with Torre and Roger Clemens showing up to let him know how much they respected and cared for him.
Next up: Cooperstown.
He'll be on the Hall of Fame ballot after the 2018 season, and almost certainly he'll be inducted the following summer. We don't get that many chances to celebrate perfection. This should be one.

Richard Justice is a columnist for MLB.com. Read his blog, Justice4U. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 

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I half agree.

He should be unanimous, but he should not be the first.
Not Mo's fault of course.

Im just saying I can think of 25 players that should have been unanimous.

What makes Mo more special then Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, Aaron etc...?
 
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The "best short reliever ever" is still just a short reliever. If Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Jackson, et al couldn't do it, neither should he.
 

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He should be. There's been Zero controversy in his career. He's the no doubt best ever at what he did, never had a whiff of off field trouble, the writers love and respect him. While I agree others should have had the unanimous honor before, that shouldn't detract from him getting it. I want the writer(s) who don't vote for him to have the cajones to come forward and identify and explain themselves.
 

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If he played for any other team, he would not be even close to what he was as a Yankee. Great closer, but he had the team.
 

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If he played for any other team, he would not be even close to what he was as a Yankee. Great closer, but he had the team.

I dont know playoffs success yes Yankees good team to be on..but there are total clown teams that have closers in this era get 45+ saves a year often.. He will not get unanamous s he does not quite play eveyr day but I like the idea.... what a treat to watch him pitch in our era.
 
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How can you not vote Greg Maddux in the first ballot? Possibly the smartest pitcher to ever throw..
 

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he won't get it, pitching only 60-70 innings a year hurts his chances and he blew about 7 saves in 2013. Closers are way over-rated IMO and Mo has no chance of being the first unanimous guy, Choptalk has it right, 1st ballot for sure but not unanimous. ....hard to do when nobody else has done it and you are talking guys like Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Yaz and dozens more awesome players. The only way is a gift like the allstar game MVP he got, he's really not that much better than Trevor Hoffman that played on bad teams.
 

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doug how about Maddux?


355 wins is huge
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/maddugr01.shtml


much more impressive than Rivera who is way over-rated

I'd vote for Maddux but that doesn't mean every sportswriter will.

How was Ted Williams no getting 100% of the votes, lots of guys deserve more than 65 innings a year MO Rivera. You can toss out Clemens for his drug use but Maddux deserves it more than MR and dozens of other old players have better claims to that fame. The voters are a bunch of bozos.

Is Rivera really like so much better than Hoffman ?

or others , he pitched what maybe 1,000 innings ? A solid starter does that in 5 years. I can see a voter taking the limited innings into consideration.
 

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Rivera pitched less than 1300 innings, Maddox over 5000 innings.....Greg is the better player easily !

if Mariano gets in unanimously it is a pure gift like his rocking chairs....

he deserves in on the 1st ballot, no question.....but not
unanimously..he didn't play enough innings and didn't even debut until age 25.
 

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the voters are kind of biased Gabe....there a solid 25 guys better than Rivera and a few better GM
 

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Anyone who does not vote for Maddux should have their vote taken away from them...
 

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He should get 100% of the votes, how someone could not vote for him is beyond reasoning. ripken got 98.5, wil Maddux get 100%

If not thats a tragic.


since nobody has ever been unanimous what would you make the line on GM ?
 

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I misunderstood gynos question. I thought he was asking what's the odds of gm getting in the hof 1st ballot. I said stone cold lock. Did not realize he was asking if he get in unanimous.

The answer to that question is 0% chance.

It's impossible. If Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Mickey Mantle could not do it nobody can.

And as much as I love and respect Rivera if he becomes the first he will instantly become the most overated player in the history of sports
 

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I misunderstood gynos question. I thought he was asking what's the odds of gm getting in the hof 1st ballot. I said stone cold lock. Did not realize he was asking if he get in unanimous.

The answer to that question is 0% chance.

It's impossible. If Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and Mickey Mantle could not do it nobody can.
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And as much as I love and respect Rivera if he becomes the first he will instantly become the most overated player in the history of sports

he gets in the HOF for sure
 

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