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I am sorry guys but your government has lost it's moral compass. On top of that they are getting sloppy. I love my American Cousins but I am disgusted in the Obama Government what a fraud

By Noah Barkin and Madeline Chambers
BERLIN (Reuters) - An outraged Germany summoned the U.S. ambassador for the first time in living memory on Thursday over suspicions Washington bugged Chancellor Angela Merkel's phone, in the worst spat between the close allies in a decade.
Merkel, at a summit of European leaders in Brussels, said the incident had shattered German trust in the United States: "It's not just about me but about every German citizen," she said. "Spying among friends is not at all acceptable."
The White House did not deny the bugging, saying only it would not happen in future. President Barack Obama spoke with Merkel to assure her she was not now under surveillance.
Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle suggested Washington may have deceived Berlin with assurances about the scope of its covert spying program, which was revealed earlier this year by fugitive former U.S. intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.
"In the summer, we received explanations and assurances," the German minister said. "Whether we can trust these explanations and assurances, that must be examined again."
He took the unusual step of giving part of his statement in English - to make the message to Washington "quite clear".
Some politicians suggested the row could disrupt European Union negotiations with the United States on a free trade pact, though others played down that possibility.
State surveillance is a highly sensitive subject in a country haunted by memories of eavesdropping by the dreaded Stasi secret police in East Germany, where Merkel grew up.
The news shocked many Germans, coming just four months after Obama visited Merkel in Berlin on the 50th anniversary of John F. Kennedy's famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech. Obama then praised Germany as one of Washington's closest partners.
Some Germans said they viewed such eavesdropping as a betrayal by the country that did most to defend democratic West Germany from Soviet-backed communism during the Cold War.
"This is not how you should treat your partners," said Stephanie Hilebrand, 38, as she walked by the Brandenburg Gate, once a forlorn landmark in the shadow of the Berlin Wall.
"We're not terrorists. Nor is our chancellor."
TRUST LOST
Evidence of the spying was uncovered by German weekly Der Spiegel. According to officials, it obtained a U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) document that carried a mobile phone number for Merkel and showed it to her office. German intelligence concluded that the document was credible, leading Merkel to confront Obama about it in a phone call on Wednesday.
The response did not reassure the Germans. All the White House would say is that it "is not monitoring and will not monitor" Merkel's communications. It did not deny that the chancellor may have been spied on in the past.
"We are not going to comment publicly on every specified alleged intelligence activity," a White House spokesman said.
Merkel said: "We need to have trust in our allies and partners and this trust must now be established once again."
Britain's Guardian newspaper said in its Friday edition that documents provided by Snowden showed the NSA had obtained phone numbers for 35, unidentified, world leaders.
France and Italy have also raised concerns this week about reports of U.S. surveillance of their communications networks.
TRADE TALKS
Sigmar Gabriel, head of the German Social Democrats who are in coalition talks with Merkel's conservatives, said it was difficult for him to imagine continuing negotiations on a free trade deal between the European Union and the United States as long as the rights of citizens in Europe were endangered.
Others were more measured. Merkel's chief of staff, Ronald Pofalla, said Germany would demand a "no-spy deal" with Washington, which would set out rules for cooperation between their intelligence services.
Defense Minister Thomas de Maiziere told German television that the Americans remained Germany's best friends but described the phone hacking as a "no go".
The incident is a trial by fire for U.S. ambassador John Emerson, who arrived in Berlin just two months ago.
German media reports said domestic security sources believed the embassy had played a role in the monitoring of Merkel's phone, which is said to have taken place over a period of years. No one at the embassy was available to comment.
The German foreign ministry was unable to tell Reuters the last time a U.S. ambassador was summoned to speak with the German foreign minister, the strongest signal of displeasure in the diplomatic playbook short of being ordered to leave.
"There are no statistics on this," a spokeswoman said. "We definitely cannot recall summoning this partner in the recent or medium-term past."
Not since Merkel's predecessor Gerhard Schroeder opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 has the tension between Europe's leading economic power and Washington been so high.
PERSONAL TIES
Many politicians said the row could upset relations between Obama and Merkel, who come from opposing political camps and who, diplomats say, have respectful but sometimes strained ties.
"This could be a problem for the personal relationship - at least it certainly would do if it was me," Elmar Brok, a German conservative who sits in the European Parliament, told Reuters.
The two got off to a bad start in 2008 when Merkel denied Obama, then a mere presidential contender, the right to make a speech at the Brandenburg Gate, a symbol of reunited Germany.
Although the leaders met several times in other places, it took Obama 4-1/2 years to make a presidential visit to Berlin.
Under Merkel, Germany caused frustration in Washington by refusing to back Western intervention in Libya and Obama has expressed frustration with her management of the euro crisis.
The new revelations overshadowed a meeting of EU leaders in Brussels that started on Thursday. France had pushed for the issue to be put on the summit agenda after a report earlier in the week that U.S. agents spied extensively on French citizens.
However, some lawmakers said it was in Germany's interests to ensure the EU-U.S. free trade deal remained on track.
"I don't think we would improve things if we suspended them," said Wolfgang Bosbach, a lawmaker from Merkel's Christian Democrats. "It is important to continue the talks swiftly, and that we reach agreements."
Business groups also urged the government to continue the talks.
"Political standstill in the United States and growing mistrust should not block the free trade deal," said Markus Kerber, head of the BDI industry association.
(Additional reporting by Alexandra Hudson and Andreas Rinke; Editing by Alastair Macdonald)
 

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Disgusted by the Obama government? Hell we've been spying on people long before this.
 

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Of course every country spies on each other but now your getting caught and wasn't Obama suppose to be about Hope & Change......
 
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Obama f*cks up everything he touches, the guy is corrupt and inept.

Worst President by far in my lifetime.
 

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Now here is an actual scandal, but do the Republicans investigate this one?

Nope cause secretly they like this kinda stuff
 

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Jimmy Carter is a happy man right now. He's lived to see a worse president than he.

Obama. Worst President Ever.
 

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Now here is an actual scandal, but do the Republicans investigate this one?

Nope cause secretly they like this kinda stuff

Exactly. This was the trigger that started Obama's poll numbers to decline, but yet the Wingnuts still harp on irrelevant stuff like the IRS and Benghazi "scandals" that no one outside their little Fox News Bubble cares about.
 

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Jimmy Carter is a happy man right now. He's lived to see a worse president than he.

Obama. Worst President Ever.

I'd take Carter over Nixon any day of the week. A lot of Carter's problems started with Nixon's policies.
 

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Carter was/is a smart, educated, moral man. A victim of circumstances on the economy and Iran.
 

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you know you're a lost partisan wacko when the first thought that comes to your mind after your leader has to answer for tapping his allies phones is how much the party that ISN'T in charge is investigating it. :hammerit

this country is so fucked up
 

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Maybe it's time for Merkel to switch plan for her cellphone.
 

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you know you're a lost partisan wacko when the first thought that comes to your mind after your leader has to answer for tapping his allies phones is how much the party that ISN'T in charge is investigating it. :hammerit

this country is so fucked up


Lol. Would almost be unbelievable....but it's true . Just wow.
 

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you know you're a lost partisan wacko when the first thought that comes to your mind after your leader has to answer for tapping his allies phones is how much the party that ISN'T in charge is investigating it. :hammerit

this country is so fucked up

Obama is an un-American piece of shit for condoning this spying on our allies (and on our citizens), but if Romney would have won, the exact same thing would have been going on. That NSA super store out in Utah was being planned and built long before Obama took office.
 
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Obama is an un-American piece of shit for condoning this spying on our allies (and on our citizens), but if Romney would have won, the exact same thing would have been going on. That NSA super store out in Utah was being planned and built long before Obama took office.

All candidates coming from both parties have the same owners folks, and so do we.
 

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All candidates coming from both parties have the same owners folks, and so do we.

Yes sir.
But they manage to keep one half of the country at the others throat while they take the loot out the back door.
Need 3rd, 4th or more parties and campaign finance laws changed or there is the alternative that cannot be named.
 

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every one is under surveillance.

And have been for quite some time. Rumor is that the NSA was listening in on Alexander Graham Bell when he spoke into a phone for the first time when he said "Watson, come here, I want to see you".

@):mad:
 

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