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If I win the jackpot, I'll buy the RX and give it to you Mike.

This way here you can finally fire murph like you've been wanting to.
 

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With the new longer odds, I think we will have a 1 Billion dollar drawing pretty soon.
 

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I've got 30 tickets and need 2-6-13 for the PB. Cashed on 13 last drawing!
 

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I contributed $50 and got a big giant kick in the bag for my money.
 

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I contributed $50 and got a big giant kick in the bag for my money.

hope you played all Mega numbers 1-15 a few times...... This way you're cashing and winning a few bucks back @ least :103631605 with a shot at it all.
 

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hope you played all Mega numbers 1-15 a few times...... This way you're cashing and winning a few bucks back @ least :103631605 with a shot at it all.

Guess what man? I had the wrong numbers. Finally had the right ones, looked back through and won my money back.

Had the Mega and three numbers for $50. Oh well, better than nothing.
 

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With the new longer odds, I think we will have a 1 Billion dollar drawing pretty soon.

probably.........

The odds are not only against you, but worse than ever.The odds of winning the Mega Millions are 1 in 259 million....

It would be more likely for an amateur golfer to hit a hole in one on consecutive three par holes....


You're 395 times as likely to get a royal flush in poker with the first five cards dealt

than you are of hitting Jackpot!


But, hey, you never know. Someone has to win sometime, right?
 

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glad theRX told me about the increase in numbers.... I won't play it ever again. not even for a $1.

I went all in on my state's new years millionare raffle. best odds ever to become win a million.
Bought 23 tickets.
that's all I need. Half a million.
 

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FYI

The current 5/75 + 1/15 format has yet to produce a jackpot winner

The odds of winning the jackpot are decreased to 1 in about 258.9 million. The odds of winning a prize has increased to 1 in 14.71, but this also includes the "push" scenario (where the money won in the prize matches the amount of the wager, as is the case when a winner matches only the mega ball without the megaplier); thus, the odds of turning a profit on any given bet is less than advertised. Match & Odds

  • 5 numbers and the Mega Ball 1 in 258,890,850
  • 5 numbers but not the Mega Ball 1 in 18,492,204
  • 4 numbers and the Mega Ball 1 in 739,688
  • 4 numbers but not the Mega Ball 1 in 52,835
  • 3 numbers and the Mega Ball 1 in 10,720
  • 3 numbers but not the Mega Ball 1 in 766
  • 2 numbers and the Mega Ball 1 in 473
  • 1 number and the Mega Ball 1 in 56
  • Only the Mega Ball 1 in 21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mega_Millions#October_2013_format_change
 
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An argument that it is *never* +EV to buy a mega millions ticket:

[h=2]Do you agree with the article titled Math Says You Should Buy A Mega Millions Ticket Right Now at Business Insider?
— Asswhoopermcdaddy[/h] No, I don't agree with it. That is a terrible piece of journalism and Business Insider should be embarrassed by it.

To begin, the article was published on Dec. 17, 2013, before the $636 million drawing that evening. Let's look at the math to evaluate the value of a $1 ticket. The following table shows the probability and expected return of all possible outcomes for the $636 million jackpot, before considering such things as the lump sum penalty, taxes, and jackpot sharing. The top three probabilities are in scientific notation because the numbers are so small.

Mega Millions -- $636 Million Jackpot
Catch Mega Ball Pays Combinations Probability Return
5 Yes $636,000,000 1 3.86E-09 2.456634
5 No $1,000,000 14 5.41E-08 0.054077
4 Yes $5,000 350 1.35E-06 0.006760
4 No $500 4,900 0.000019 0.009463
3 Yes $50 24,150 0.000093 0.004664
3 No $5 338,100 0.001306 0.006530
2 Yes $5 547,400 0.002114 0.010572
1 Yes $2 4,584,475 0.017708 0.035416
0 Yes $1 12,103,014 0.046749 0.046749
Loser $0 241,288,446 0.932008 0.000000
Total 258,890,850 1.000000 2.630865

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That shows a $1 ticket will get back $2.630864. After deducting the dollar the ticket cost, the expected profit is $1.630864. Business Insider gets $1.632029. A difference of 0.001164, but no big deal.

However, there are three things that depress the value significantly:


  1. The lump sum penalty.
  2. Taxes.
  3. Jackpot sharing.

Let's look at them one at a time.

Large lottery progressive jackpots are usually paid out in the form of an annuity of about 30 years, including Mega Millions. If the winner wants the money all at once, which most do, he must take a significant reduction. This is only fair because a dollar today is worth more than a dollar in the future. In the case of the December 17, 2013 drawing, the total prize money was reduced to $347.6 million, or 54.65% of the advertised jackpot.

Next, let's look at taxes. The highest federal marginal income tax rate is 39.6%. State taxes range from 0% to 12.3% (source: [url]http://www.taxadmin.org/
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Now comes the trickiest part -- jackpot sharing. It should be noted that starting with the October 22, 2013 drawing Mega Millions changed the rules to a 75-15 format, where they draw five numbers from 1 to 75, and then one from a separate pool of 1 to 15. This reduced the odds of winning to 1 in 258,890,850, evidently in an effort to have bigger jackpots. Looking at just the 17 drawings since then, using jackpot and sales data from LottoReport.com , I find there is an exponential relationship between jackpot size and demand. I found the same thing for the Powerball lottery, by the way. Using exponential regression, my formula for total tickets sold (in millions) is 12.422 × exp(0.0052 × j), where j is the jackpot size (in millions). For example, for a $636 million jackpot, the expected sales would be 12.422 * exp(0.0052*636) = 339.2 (million). Actual sales were $337 million, so pretty close.

Based on the actual ticket sales of 336,545,306, we can expect 336,545,306/258,890,850 = 1.300 winners. The pertinent question is if you win how many other people can you expect to share the money with? This is easily answered looking at the Poisson distribution. Given a mean of 1.3 winners, the probability of exactly x winners is exp(1.3)×1.3[SUP]x[/SUP]/fact(x). The following table shows the probability of 0 to 10 other winners, your share of the jackpot in each case, and expected share, assuming that you win.

Expected Jackpot Share Given 1.3 Other Winners on Average
Other winners Probability Jackpot share Expected share
10 0.000001 0.090909 0.000000
9 0.000008 0.100000 0.000001
8 0.000055 0.111111 0.000006
7 0.000339 0.125000 0.000042
6 0.001827 0.142857 0.000261
5 0.008431 0.166667 0.001405
4 0.032429 0.200000 0.006486
3 0.099786 0.250000 0.024946
2 0.230283 0.333333 0.076761
1 0.354295 0.500000 0.177148
0 0.272545 1.000000 0.272545
Total 1.000000
0.559602

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The bottom right cell shows that you can expect to keep 55.96% of the money, and the other 44.04% will go to those darned other winners you'll have to share with.

Now our $636 million jackpot is down to $189.1 × 55.96% = $105.8 million. Let's see what the return table looks like with that figure as the jackpot.

Mega Millions -- $105.8 Million Jackpot
Catch Mega Ball Pays Combinations Probability Return
5 Yes $105,800,000 1 3.86E-09 0.408666
5 No $1,000,000 14 5.41E-08 0.054077
4 Yes $5,000 350 1.35E-06 0.006760
4 No $500 4,900 0.000019 0.009463
3 Yes $50 24,150 0.000093 0.004664
3 No $5 338,100 0.001306 0.006530
2 Yes $5 547,400 0.002114 0.010572
1 Yes $2 4,584,475 0.017708 0.035416
0 Yes $1 12,103,014 0.046749 0.046749
Loser $0 241,288,446 0.932008 0.000000
Total 258,890,850 1.000000 0.582898

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The bottom right cell shows that an expected return of 58.29%. In other words your $1 investment can expect to get back about 58 cents, for an expected loss, or house edge, of about 42%. Does that sound like the math saying you should buy a ticket?

According to the article, "So, as long as there are fewer than 730 million tickets sold, a fairly likely situation right now, the expected value of a ticket should be positive, and so you should consider buying a Mega Millions ticket today."

There were a lot fewer than 730 million in sales and it still was a terrible value. However, in all fairness, the article went on to say the following:

"Bear in mind that there are many caveats to this analysis. Taxes will likely hurt your expected winnings pretty severely — the Feds will take about 40%, and your home state will claim anywhere from 0% to around 13%.

A lot of people have been buying tickets, and as discussed above, this will greatly increase the odds of a tie, and the reduced payout that goes with it."
— Business Insider

Those are some pretty big caveats! They shouldn't just be mentioned in passing at the bottom but factored into the analysis to begin with.

Not that you asked, but I find the math says you should never play Mega Millions. Given the exponential demand for tickets, based on jackpot size, I find the optimal time to play is a jackpot of $545 million. With jackpots larger than that you'll have to share it with too many other winners. At that jackpot size, the player can expect a return of 60.2%, or a loss of 39.8%. That is as good as it gets.

In closing, no, I do not agree with Business Insider for tricking readers with a sensational title and not doing a proper analysis of taxes and jackpot sharing.

http://wizardofodds.com/ask-the-wizard/284/
 

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The only thing that matters is "someone" has to win! really doesn't matter what the odds are....someone has to win sooner or later. Hopefully it's ME!
 

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