So, I'm chatting with a guy from OSGA on the phone earlier and he mentions 'Leo' from 18thhole is a great friend of his

TopShelf11 · Jan 6, 2014

and 18thholesports book is just as safe as a Bookmaker....and he hasn't heard of them having any payout complaints. He also reads the forums daily. He has known 'Leo' whose real name is Caesar for 15 years, great guy.

Every time I think this industry cannot get any lower and more slimy, it does.

We're swimming in a cesspool guys. Most all these low life's are buddies behind the scenes.

After the SB I am out.

Some of the best years of my life have been away from gambling. Stress goes down and the productivity and overall wellness in life increases about 1000%.

It's hard to break the pattern, but if you do/can you will not regret it.

I'm up thousands of dollars from gambling over the years and I cannot even name one thing I've bought with any of that money. All it is...is a huge time waste, makes you completely unsocial-able, and increases your stress immensely.

I cannot even imagine what I'd feel like if I were down thousands like some.

Like I said a huge stressed out time waste.

TopShelf11 · Jan 6, 2014

The Offshore Gaming Association which oddly enough is based out of Philadelphia....says known stiff book 18thholesportsbook is just as safe as Bookmaker. You seriously, cannot make this up.

The Off Shore Gaming Association (OSGA) is an independent "watchdog" agency that monitors the Offshore Sportsbook, Casino and Poker Industry in an effort to provide the public with information if they choose to wager online.

We are resolved to keeping the philosophy that there are safe places for online entertainment. Because of the climate in the industry today people need to read online sportsbook reviews, online casino reviews and have additional information on Internet poker rooms from an outside source. An educated consumer needs to know where to gain conclusive information for online gaming.

We are a professional consumer-driven service and are supported by our members. We provide objective opinions, based on your feedback, independent research, phone calls, tips and inside news. We offer dispute mediation for the unregulated Internet gambling industry, assistance that thousands have relied since 1998. We at the Off shore Gaming Association started this business with the customer in mind.

Akillies · Jan 6, 2014

moved here

JudgeWapner · Jan 6, 2014

Yeah, I saw that bullshit website. The had 18thhole with a higher rating than CRIS and some place called snake eyes 11 with a higher rating than Heritage. Obviously a site owned by the same crooks who own those two sites.

NES · Jan 6, 2014

I think you are thinking of another rating site Judge, wasnt OSGA started by E. Agami of SBG Global fame?

JudgeWapner · Jan 6, 2014

Probably Nes. I am old and senile. let me find it. As for Agami, he would eat the ass out of a snake for a dollar.

JudgeWapner · Jan 6, 2014

http://onthegamblersside.com/news/ is the bullshit site I was referring to.

TopShelf11 · Jan 6, 2014

Judge Wapner said:
http://onthegamblersside.com/news/ is the bullshit site I was referring to.

Griffin and Zack aka McFAIL are connected to that site as well.

NES · Jan 6, 2014

Dead wrong, McPhail is not affiliated with any of those guys, the vice crew recently seperated themself from the RDG platform altogether.

georgedubois · Jan 6, 2014

yeah big lol. They are connected to that site and bet33 has an F rating.

Im glad to see that you finally found a forum where you wont get banned.

lol

TopShelf11 said:
Griffin and Zack aka McFAIL are connected to that site as well.

NES · Jan 6, 2014

georgedubois said:
yeah big lol. They are connected to that site and bet33 has an F rating.

Im glad to see that you finally found a forum where you wont get banned.

lol

oh snap

TopShelf11 · Jan 7, 2014

georgedubois said:
yeah big lol. They are connected to that site and bet33 has an F rating.

Im glad to see that you finally found a forum where you wont get banned.

lol

Sometimes people just say things on the internet to see how far others will take it.

One thing most can agree on, is HRWager has about as deep of pockets as an 8 year with a lemonade stand.

Murphy8276 · Jan 7, 2014

NES said:
Dead wrong, McPhail is not affiliated with any of those guys, the vice crew recently seperated themself from the RDG platform altogether.

serious question. Did this strengthen or weaken them? I cant play there anyway even if I wanted to, but I am not sure taking less backing was the smartest thing to do even if the backing was in serious jeaopardy long term due to robbie's history... at least over the course of time the payouts havent stopped.. so what made the situation change? Just curious about this since this is Industry Talk. Thx

-murph

NES · Jan 7, 2014

Well I cant see it having too much of an effect since they dropped the RDG backing a long time ago and were only using his platform. I guess for some people it can be very positive as they can now have accounts at both places without conflict, and I'm sure there is some value to be had with the difference in lines and offerings. As far as I know both shops pay in a timely manner and both have taken a lot of steps to resolve any complaints stemming from robbie's history which from all accounts I have seen was well over a decade ago.

Not sure what topshelf's obsession with HRwager is unless it's just some sort of forum grudge. Has anyone ever had a negative experience with these guys?

georgedubois · Jan 7, 2014

Hey bro just because I got you banned at Covers and told you that we dont want your business because you are too inmature and rude to our clerks that`s not on me. Im glad that you stopped begging me to come back and play here.

Anyways I remember that you are a big shot 5k bank wire guy but you came in for a couple of hundred to test the waters with no bonus, busted out and then cried like a little bitch asking for the sign up bonus.

Im shocked that you havent been banned from this place yet, I would have to think that you have been taking your medication.

TopShelf11 said:
Sometimes people just say things on the internet to see how far others will take it.

One thing most can agree on, is HRWager has about as deep of pockets as an 8 year with a lemonade stand.

Illini · Jan 7, 2014

One thing I'm sure of......TopShelf is not up lifetime gambling.

Illini · Jan 7, 2014

TopShelf, I'm sure your money has bought a lot of whores and coke down in Costa Rica. It's gone to good use.

TopShelf11 · Jan 7, 2014

georgedubois said:
Hey bro just because I got you banned at Covers and told you that we dont want your business because you are too inmature and rude to our clerks that`s not on me. Im glad that you stopped begging me to come back and play here.

Anyways I remember that you are a big shot 5k bank wire guy but you came in for a couple of hundred to test the waters with no bonus, busted out and then cried like a little bitch asking for the sign up bonus.

Im shocked that you havent been banned from this place yet, I would have to think that you have been taking your medication.

ointer:

TopShelf11 · Jan 7, 2014

georgedubois said:
Hey bro just because I got you banned at Covers and told you that we dont want your business because you are too inmature and rude to our clerks that`s not on me. Im glad that you stopped begging me to come back and play here.

Anyways I remember that you are a big shot 5k bank wire guy but you came in for a couple of hundred to test the waters with no bonus, busted out and then cried like a little bitch asking for the sign up bonus.

Im shocked that you havent been banned from this place yet, I would have to think that you have been taking your medication.

that's right...I've sent and received more 5k wires than you have. I'd be surprised if you had even 5k total in backing....still making payments to the same players...even people in the industry say you don't have 2 nickels to rub together,...I begged you to play there? Unreal. Yes, .20 MLB lines are my forte. Where do these diffusional people come from.

The fact you cannot even come across with accurate truthful states on a gambling forum speaks volumes about your character.

And you got me banned on Covers? Do they know? I've been posting on there for 7 years straight.

georgedubois · Jan 7, 2014

I still have all the emails and chats buddy, don't make me embarrass you on the forums.

So, I'm chatting with a guy from OSGA on the phone earlier and he mentions 'Leo' from 18thhole is a great friend of his

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