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Thread: Carmelo Anthony Or Kevin Love ; Who's The Better Free Agent?

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    Kevin Love is better for Chicago

    Five reasons the Bulls should opt for Love over Anthony

    By Bradford Doolittle | ESPN Insider


    At least in terms of the Chicago sports news cycle, the Chicago Bulls re-emerged from offseason exile a couple of days ago when reports emerged Kevin Love was hitting the trade market, and Chicago was one of his preferred destinations.
    The Bulls are often part of the rumor mill whenever a star player is looking for a new home, and just as often, Chicago fans are disappointed. Tim Duncan, Tracy McGrady, Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and even hometown hero Dwyane Wade have all at one time or another seemed destined to follow in Michael Jordan's Nike-clad footsteps. Back in January, I analyzed Carmelo Anthony's situation and concluded that the Bulls were the most logical fit if he leaves the Knicks. Since then (not because of me), Anthony's name has been affixed to the Bulls whenever the subject of Chicago's offseason plan is broached.
    Now you can add Love to the list of Chicago's high-profile pursuits, and it creates an interesting dynamic around here, while setting the city up for even more disappointment. Most NBA fans around the country are debating the merits of acquiring Love, and calculating the assets it would take to do so. In Chicago, the question du jour is very different: Melo or Love? Obviously, the question itself suggests that the Bulls have a lot more control over the situation that they actually do, which is very little. The cost for both players is going to be high in both dollars and assets, and the competition to acquire them will be fierce, likely driving up the price even more.


    This is a classic sports debate. The Bulls might have to give up a little more to get Love, because Anthony can be a free agent. Nevertheless, targeting Love is the better move, and it's not particularly close. Why? Let us count the reasons.

    1. Kevin Love is a better player.

    People know this, right? Anthony is a more famous person and a great player in his own right -- a borderline MVP candidate at his best -- but Love is a top-five producer in the NBA -- the elite of the elite. Let's start with WARP, which does a great job of blending efficiency and volume. Last season, Anthony posted 14.2 WARP, ranking ninth in the league. That's All-Star production and was the best total, and ranking, of Anthony's 11-year career. Nevertheless, he produced six fewer wins than Love, who was third in the league with 20.2 WARP.

    Over the past three seasons, Love has a 39.2 to 33.6 edge in WARP over Anthony even though he missed 64 games in 2012-13. Love's winning percentage -- the per-possession component of WARP -- was over .700 for the third time in four years. Anthony's .643 mark last season was the best he's ever done. Both are high volume players, but Love is more a more efficient shooter, draws more fouls, hands out more assists and, even after accounting for position, he laps Anthony in terms of board work. Neither is a great defender, but at the bottom line, Love's Real Plus-Minus of plus-5.10 is elite, while Anthony's plus-2.73 is merely very good.

    2. Love is younger, and is a good bet to be a better player going forward.

    Love, who will be just 26 at the outset of next season, is a full four years younger than Anthony, meaning that he's just barely entering what are typically the peak years for a player. Anthony turns 30 on Thursday, though to be fair, his game has improved markedly over the past couple of years, and with athletic markers as strong as they've ever been, he's a good bet to remain at this plateau for a while. He still won't catch Love in bottom-line value, even if Love doesn't improve from here. My system projects Love to produce a whopping 29 more WARP over the next five seasons.

    3. Love is the scarcer commodity.

    Think of the disparity in bottom-line value like this: Love's percentile rank in three-year WARP is 99.1, meaning if there are roughly 450 players in the NBA in any given season, only four or five of them are in his class. Anthony's three-year percentile rank is an excellent 98.3, but that means there are eight or nine players who offer his value. Another way to think of it is rarity of skill set. Anthony's primary skill is scoring, and he's great at it. He's one of just 10 players in NBA history with a scoring average of 25 or more points and a true shooting percentage of at least .540. Love's forte is his inside-outside combo skills. Among players with at least 300 career games, here's the list of those to average at least 12 boards and 1.2 3-pointers per game: Kevin Love. And, for what it's worth, Love averaged more points per minute than Anthony did last season.

    4. Love is more projectable.

    This is a more subjective observation, but if the Bulls acquire Love, we know what he'd look like in the Tom Thibodeau system. That's because he's not unlike the man he'd replace, Carlos Boozer, except that he's better by a couple of degrees. Love's defense isn't great, but it's better than Boozer's, and we don't know how much of an uptick he'd make on that end under Thibodeau. On offense, Love offers superior skills as a pick-and-pop partner with Derrick Rose because of his ability to fan out to the 3-point line. He offers improved skills in high-low passing in tandem with Joakim Noah, a facet of Chicago's non-Rose offense that has been underrated. Meanwhile, we don't know quite how Thibodeau would tailor his system around Anthony, but we do know this: Last season, only Orlando attempted long 2s at a higher rate than the Bulls, and only two players attempted more long 2s than Anthony.

    5. Love is a better fit with Rose.

    There is little risk of Rose feeling uncomfortable sharing the spotlight with Love. They've been friends since their AAU days, workout together during the offseason and are less than a month apart in age. Given Anthony's celebrity and more established status, the Bulls would arguably become his team if he landed in Chicago. Would a healthy Rose be able to play second fiddle? In less sports-talky matters, the comparison extends to the court. Rose and Anthony are both in the territory of a baseline usage rate at 31 percent or higher, though Anthony has gone as high as 36 percent. Love is at around 29. That lends itself to a more clear offensive hierarchy in terms of possession distribution alone. Plus Love had a 16-WARP season in which his usage rate was just 23 percent -- he's a proven second fiddle. Anthony's usage has been over 30 percent nine straight years. Love is also more used to playing off the ball -- 10 percent more of his career baskets have come off assists than Anthony.
    This is not a "Bulls should avoid Melo" analysis. He'd be a home run acquisition. But given a choice that may or may not exist, Love is the more desirable target. That's true now, and it's going to become even more true. Of course, as with all matters concerning the Bulls, if Rose isn't healthy, none of this matters.
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    I would take Love anyday over Melo
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    They're both video game players but Love is probably more important to winning. Anthony has just given up on defense and takes horrible shots all game.
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    I know everyone consider's Anthony a star but I'm just not a fan of his playing style.
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    I think Love is gonna give you a better 82 game regular season but I'd want Melo in the playoffs.

    because of age, i'd still take love...but if this were a 3 year engagement, I'd seriously consider Melo. I think when he gets hot he is definitely elite....and I would want him to take the last shot...he has the skills to create his own shot and doesnt mind missing the last shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by shdw01 View Post
    I think Love is gonna give you a better 82 game regular season but I'd want Melo in the playoffs.

    because of age, i'd still take love...but if this were a 3 year engagement, I'd seriously consider Melo. I think when he gets hot he is definitely elite....and I would want him to take the last shot...he has the skills to create his own shot and doesnt mind missing the last shot
    Yeah pretty much. Easier to hide Melo on D than Love also since he is atleast versatile enough to be put on different positions.

    Love plays for Minn so people don't see him enough and he hasn't played a playoff game in his life but he is a major liability defensively against good teams.

    If I were a good team like GS or Chicago and looking to add 1 of them it would likely be Melo. He is older though and could breakdown sooner than later...
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    Also Love isn't a FA, you can't get him for free. Melo is a FA

    big difference obviously
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    If anyone says Melo they are half retarded.
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    Why anyone want Carmelo anywhere near their team is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledeuce22 View Post
    Why anyone want Carmelo anywhere near their team is beyond me.
    This is why he would fit right in with the Lakers.
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    Bulls told Taj Gibson he is gonna start next year. 1 of the most underrated players in the league

    Wonder if they told him it might be for Minnesota though...
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    As a Knicks fan I would give the whole roster for 25 year old Kevin L. The Knicks are so bad right now it is sickening. 2nd highest payroll in the NBA and not one good player. Carmelo can score but is a black hole no team will ever win with him as their guy. They had the oldest average age for players on their roster in NBA history last year. James Dolen is the worst owner in the NBA. The average basketball fan knows more about hoops than him. Dolan trades draft picks for old men with bad knees. Hopefully Phil Jackson can do something but I doubt it there is no quick fix for their situation. They need to rebuild but never do. So sad...go Spurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StevieRay View Post
    One hustles and ones a slacker
    motivation is nonexistent in melo but that can be changed
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    Quote Originally Posted by PigskinArmor View Post
    motivation is nonexistent in melo but that can be changed
    HOW?? It never has.
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    Not only Kevin Love, but I would take any of the other top 10 players other than Carmelo.
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    [ Carmelo now only ranked 64th in the league ]

    Facing an uncertain future, Carmelo Anthony slides in #NBArank


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    Carmelo Anthony finished No. 64 in #NBArank. Brad Penner/USA TODAY Sports
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    Carmelo Anthony is a 10-time All-Star, practically guaranteeing himself a spot in the Hall of Fame. Yet the superstar remains perhaps the most polarizing player in today's NBA.
    For all the acclaim Anthony has drawn for his potent scoring and ability to create mismatches as a physical, small-ball power forward, his critics have been quick to point out his inattentive defense and occasionally maddening shot selection from midrange.
    Now, at age 33, as the nominal star for a dismal New York Knicks franchise, Anthony faces more skepticism than ever before in his 14 NBA seasons, as epitomized by his mediocre ranking announced Tuesday. When asked to forecast player performance for next season, ESPN's NBA panel ranked Anthony just 64th overall. That represents a steep fall for a player who was ranked in the top 10 as recently as 2013 (in the April edition) and in the top 30 two seasons ago.
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