Whose FIRED First?

cloverleaf · Jul 10, 2014

I've listed some head coaches who are on what's know as the "Hot Seat." In other words, these coaches need to produce this year or could find themselves unemployed. You may disagree with some on this list and welcome that disagreement. Coaches going into the 2014 season with a hot butt.

Will Muschamp, Florida (22-16, 3 yrs)
Charlie Weis, Kansas (4-20, 2 yrs)
Mike London, Virginia (18-31, 4 yrs)
Tim Beckman, Illinois (6-18, 2 yrs)
Ron Turner, FIU (1-11, 1yr.)
Kyle Flood, Rutgers (15-11, 2 yrs)
Norm Chow, Hawaii (4-20, 2 yrs)
Dana Holgorsen, West Virginia (21-17, 3 yrs)
Paul Johnson, Georgia Tech (47-32, 6 yrs)
Dan Enos, Central Michigan (19-30, 4 yrs)
Brady Hoke, Michigan (26-13, 3 yrs)

Could be others...feel free to list them.

My vote would go to Norm Chow, Hawaii. Chow has struggled to get the program on track and faces an uphill battle this season to get better. The 13 game schedule includes Washington, Oregon State and Colorado of the Pac 12, a road trip to Rice and conference road games at San Diego State, Colorado State and Fresno State. I think Chow is in for another poor season.

A close second is Kansas' Charlie Weise. With 17 returning starters, ole Charlie is running out of excuses. I'm a believer that he is simply not head coaching material. He proved that while at Notre Dame.

Welcome your comments...............................

CoachCB · Jul 10, 2014

If Muschamp pulls off 8-4 or better he's likely retained....especially if the offense improves dramatically.

My guess is Holgersen will be canned first. Followed by London. If Charlie makes it through the season that'll be a shock too.

I think Paul Johnson & Flood are safe.

GoSooners · Jul 10, 2014

ALL of these coaches should have already been canned. The only possible exception would be Muschamp because of the injuries he had to deal with last year. But after a couple national championships Florida's standards are higher. So I think this is a do or die season for him. Paul Johnson's offense is WAY outdated and doesn't work well anymore because the blue chip recruits don't want to play in that kind of offense. A 50% average pass completion rate year after year doesn't cut it. Throwing the ball only 8x per game isn't going to attract any receivers that have NFL aspirations. Johnson does a decent job for what he has on hand. The question is how satisfied is their fanbase with 8-5 or 7-6 seasons? Weis? LOL..I can see a basketball school like Kansas hiring him. But what the hell was Notre Dame thinking in hiring a guy with no college or pro head coaching experience, and then giving him a huge long term contract? I don't get it. I think you should add Pelini to the list. I think the Husker fan base is just waiting for this guy to screw up and have a 6-6 type of season. If that happens he is as good as gone...

sendacash · Jul 11, 2014

What's ironic is that 2 of the best receivers in the NFL(Calvin Johnson and Demarious Thomas) are from Georgia Tech, albeit Megatron pre-dated Johnson's recruiting tenure at G-tech. Don't they have another one as well on the Jets? Its hard to tell playing in such a wasteland as that, but I think there is another one as out there.

sendacash · Jul 11, 2014

I'd say Holgersen's days are numbered for sure. What a horrible idea for them to join them BIG 12 and make that road trip is ridiculous. All the conference shuffling has ruined the CFB game.

CoachCB · Jul 11, 2014

sendacash said:
I'd say Holgersen's days are numbered for sure. What a horrible idea for them to join them BIG 12 and make that road trip is ridiculous. All the conference shuffling has ruined the CFB game.

Agree the conference realignment has fucked up CFB. IMO, the biggest threat to CFB is "paying players". I'm so sick of that bangwagon and those who support it. I've got one thing for all those idiots: Title IX.

GoSooners · Jul 11, 2014

sendacash said:
I'd say Holgersen's days are numbered for sure. What a horrible idea for them to join them BIG 12 and make that road trip is ridiculous. All the conference shuffling has ruined the CFB game.

Holgersen and Charlie Smorgasborg. But Weis must have the greatest agent in the world. Notre Dame still has to pay him the remainder of his contract through 2015. And Kansas doesn't have a buyout either. His contract is roughly $2.5 million a year. So if fired after year 3, they would still owe him $5 million for the next 2 years. So Charlie's agent is really good at getting him a great contract. They've got it down pretty good. Get a guaranteed contract and then get fired. That way your getting double paychecks for your next job. Rinse and repeat until people finally catch on. And like I said before, Holgersen is as good as gone if he has another losing season. That loss to Kansas last year to break their 3 year Big 12 losing streak had to chap the asses of a lot of Mountaineer donors.

rolltide · Jul 11, 2014

depends on how gators start the season but if they lose in Tenn and fall to 3-2 or 2-3 with LSU/MISSOURI/UGA on deck and south carolina + fsu later in the year i can see them making a midseason change. if they're 5-0 or 4-1 then they'll ride him the rest of the season but i see that tenn game as potentially being his job

rolltide · Jul 11, 2014

top 10 in order from http://coacheshotseat.com/

muschamp
holgorsen
weis
turner
bielema
london
chow
hazell
dykes
holtz

then again they have Nick Saban as 14th on the list so pretty much kills their credibility when he's #14 and ferentz isn't in the top 20

rolltide · Jul 11, 2014

here's their top 25

Rank	▲▼	Coach Name	School	Age	Conf.	Compensation	Yrs.	W	L	T	Win %	Yrs.	W	L	T	Win %	W	L	W	L
1	▬	Will Muschamp	Florida	43	SEC	$3,000,000	4	22	16	0	.579	4	22	16	0	.579	4	8	0	0
2	▬	Dana Holgorsen	West Virginia	43	Big 12	$2,800,000	4	21	17	0	.553	4	21	17	0	.553	4	8	0	0
3	▬	Charlie Weis	Kansas	58	Big 12	$2,500,000	8	39	47	0	.453	3	4	20	0	.167	3	9	0	0
4	▬	Ron Turner	Florida Int'l.	61	CUSA	$600,000	11	43	72	0	.374	2	1	11	0	.083	1	11	0	0
5	▲	Bret Bielema	Arkansas	44	SEC	$3,000,000	9	71	33	0	.683	2	3	9	0	.250	3	9	0	0
6	▲	Mike London	Virginia	54	ACC	$2,400,000	7	42	36	0	.538	5	18	31	0	.367	2	10	0	0
7	▲	Norm Chow	Hawaii	68	MWC	$700,000	3	4	20	0	.167	3	4	20	0	.167	1	11	0	0
8	▲	Darrell Hazell	Purdue	50	Big Ten	$2,300,000	4	17	21	0	.447	2	1	11	0	.083	1	11	0	0
9	▲	Sonny Dykes	California	45	Pac-12	$2,500,000	5	23	26	0	.469	2	1	11	0	.083	1	11	0	0
10	▲	Skip Holtz	La. Tech	50	CUSA	$600,000	15	92	79	0	.538	2	4	8	0	.333	4	8	0	0
11	▲	Tim Beckman	Illinois	49	Big Ten	$1,800,000	6	27	34	0	.443	3	6	18	0	.250	4	8	0	0
12	▲	Todd Monken	Southern Miss	48	CUSA	$800,000	2	1	11	0	.083	2	1	11	0	.083	1	11	0	0
13	▲	Paul Johnson	Georgia Tech	57	ACC	$2,700,000	18	154	71	0	.684	7	47	32	0	.595	7	6	0	0
14	▼	Nick Saban	Alabama	63	SEC	$7.300,000	19	170	57	1	.748	8	79	15	0	.840	11	2	0	0
15	▲	Mark Stoops	Kentucky	47	SEC	$2,250,000	2	2	10	0	.167	2	2	10	0	.167	2	10	0	0
16	▼	Paul Petrino	Idaho	47	Ind	$425,000	2	1	11	0	.083	2	1	11	0	.083	1	11	0	0
17	▼	Bo Pelini	Nebraska	47	Big Ten	$3,100,000	7	58	24	0	.707	7	58	24	0	.707	9	4	0	0
18	▼	Kevin Wilson	Indiana	54	Big Ten	$1,400,000	4	10	26	0	.278	4	10	26	0	.278	5	7	0	0
19	▼	Doug Martin	New Mexico State	51	Ind	$500,000	10	31	63	0	.330	2	2	10	0	.167	2	10	0	0
20	▼	Bobby Petrino	Louisville	53	ACC	$3,500,000	10	83	30	0	.735	1	0	0	0	.000	0	0	0	0
21	▼	Brady Hoke	Michigan	56	Big Ten	$4,300,000	12	73	63	0	.537	4	26	13	0	.667	7	6	0	0
22	▼	Randy Edsall	Maryland	56	Big Ten	$2,250,000	16	87	94	0	.481	4	13	24	0	.351	7	6	0	0
23	▼	Paul Rhoads	Iowa State	47	Big 12	$1,800,000	6	27	36	0	.429	6	27	36	0	.429	3	9	0	0
24	▼	Gary Patterson	TCU	54	Big 12	$3,500,000	15	120	44	0	.732	15	120	44	0	.732	4	8	0	0
25	▼	Troy Calhoun	Air Force	48	MWC	$1,000,000	8	49	41	0	.544	8	49	41	0	.544	2	10	0	0

rolltide · Jul 11, 2014

and their safest top 20

107	▼	David Bailiff	Rice	56	CUSA	$700,000	11	61	63	0	.492	8	40	48	0	.455	10	4
108	▼	Ken Niumatalolo	Navy	49	Ind.	$1,700,000	7	49	30	0	.620	7	49	30	0	.620	9	4
109	▼	Bill Snyder	Kansas State	75	Big 12	$3,000,000	23	178	90	1	.664	23	178	90	1	.664	8	5
110	▲	Derek Mason	Vanderbilt	43	SEC	$2,250,000	1	0	0	0	.000	1	0	0	0	.000	0	0
111	▲	Gus Malzahn	Auburn	49	SEC	$4,000,000	3	21	5	0	.808	2	12	2	0	.857	12	2
112	▲	Steve Spurrier	South Carolina	69	SEC	$4,000,000	25	219	79	2	.733	10	77	39	0	.664	11	2
113	▼	Tim DeRuyter	Fresno State	51	MWC	$1,500,000	3	20	6	0	.769	3	20	6	0	.769	11	2
114	▼	Urban Meyer	Ohio State	50	Big Ten	$4,800,000	13	128	25	0	.837	3	24	2	0	.923	12	2
115	▼	Jim Mora	UCLA	53	Pac-12	$3,250,000	3	19	8	0	.704	3	19	8	0	.704	10	3
116	▼	Art Briles	Baylor	59	Big 12	$4,250,000	12	78	60	0	.565	7	44	32	0	.579	11	2
117	▼	Dabo Swinney	Clemson	45	ACC	$3,300,000	7	51	23	0	.689	7	51	23	0	.689	11	2
118	▼	David Shaw	Stanford	42	Pac 12	$3,000,000	4	34	7	0	.829	4	34	7	0	.829	11	3
119	▼	Les Miles	LSU	61	SEC	$4,500,000	14	123	45	0	.732	10	95	24	0	.798	10	3
120	▼	Dave Clawson	Wake Forest	47	ACC	$2,250,000	15	90	80	0	.529	1	0	0	0	.000	0	0
121	▼	Mark Helfrich	Oregon	41	Pac 12	$2,000,000	2	11	2	0	.846	2	11	2	0	.846	11	2
122	▼	Bob Stoops	Oklahoma	54	Big 12	$5,250,000	16	160	39	0	.804	16	160	39	0	.804	11	2
123	▬	Charlie Strong	Texas	54	Big 12	$5,000,000	4	37	15	0	.712	1	0	0	0	.000	0	0
124	▬	Mark Dantonio	Michigan State	58	Big Ten	$3,700,000	11	82	46	0	.641	8	64	29	0	.688	13	1
125	▬	George O'Leary	UCF	68	AAC	$2,000,000	19	124	89	0	.582	11	72	56	0	.563	12	1
126	▬	Jimbo Fisher	Florida State	49	ACC	$4,000,000	5	45	10	0	.818	5	45	10	0	.818	14	0

CoachCB · Jul 11, 2014

rolltide said:
depends on how gators start the season but if they lose in Tenn and fall to 3-2 or 2-3 with LSU/MISSOURI/UGA on deck and south carolina + fsu later in the year i can see them making a midseason change. if they're 5-0 or 4-1 then they'll ride him the rest of the season but i see that tenn game as potentially being his job

I'd agree, but Tennessee lost their entire OL and DL.

Conan · Jul 11, 2014

rolltide said:
top 10 in order from http://coacheshotseat.com/

muschamp
holgorsen
weis
turner
bielema
london
chow
hazell
dykes
holtz

then again they have Nick Saban as 14th on the list so pretty much kills their credibility when he's #14 and Ferentz isn't in the top 20

I see that you found a list with Sonny Dykes on it. At least somebody thought about him. I would put Sonny Dykes somewhere in the middle of that. The Cal Bears are now the official cellar dweller of the Pac. He has found a few recruits who are decent athletes so there is a chance he will last 3 years. (2 to go) They win 3-4 games this season and maybe he gets one more year before he's canned. (1-11 LY) His seat is already warming up and the Alumni are grumbling. They have sparkling new facilities in Berkeley but Dykes is completely outclassed.

sendacash · Jul 11, 2014

Is Kansas really in a position to fire another coach? I mean, its Kansas and they are a basketball school. They should have never fired Mangino if they wanted to keep winning. I guess at this point they should find a young up and coming coach from the MAC or other small conference and give him a whole lotta rope, but they don't seem to have the patience for that. If I were a taxpayer from Kansas it would piss me off if they have all these coaches still on the payroll.

cloverleaf · Jul 11, 2014

CoachCB said:
I'd agree, but Tennessee lost their entire OL and DL.

Tennessee ain't going to beat Florida this year. Straight up I'll give anyone 2 to 1. Max 500 dollars.

GoSooners · Jul 11, 2014

sendacash said:
I guess at this point they should find a young up and coming coach from the MAC or other small conference and give him a whole lotta rope, but they don't seem to have the patience for that.

That's already been tried with Turner Gill. The problem is no coach that's worth a damn wants to coach at a basketball school that is a football doormat. They would have to pay them a hell of a lot of money. And after this latest Weis fiasco I'm not sure KU is willing to pay it.

Well-Seasoned · Jul 11, 2014

GoSooners said:
ALL of these coaches should have already been canned. The only possible exception would be Muschamp because of the injuries he had to deal with last year. But after a couple national championships Florida's standards are higher. So I think this is a do or die season for him. Paul Johnson's offense is WAY outdated and doesn't work well anymore because the blue chip recruits don't want to play in that kind of offense. A 50% average pass completion rate year after year doesn't cut it. Throwing the ball only 8x per game isn't going to attract any receivers that have NFL aspirations. Johnson does a decent job for what he has on hand. The question is how satisfied is their fanbase with 8-5 or 7-6 seasons? Weis? LOL..I can see a basketball school like Kansas hiring him. But what the hell was Notre Dame thinking in hiring a guy with no college or pro head coaching experience, and then giving him a huge long term contract? I don't get it. I think you should add Pelini to the list. I think the Husker fan base is just waiting for this guy to screw up and have a 6-6 type of season. If that happens he is as good as gone...

It was a nice gimmick when Paul Johnson first arrived here that caught people off-guard at first plus he had Chan's players.......Vad Lee was supposed to be the answer as fans here would be like imagine if Georgia Tech could throw the ball great (the Bay-Bay Thomas days), but even he got tired of this offense.....The investment in Al Groh was a bad one due to his 3-4 defense just like Georgia with Grantham's 3-4 and in my opinion both of those coaches and schemes were holding both Georgia schools from advancing to another level......As far as Georgia Tech they need better recruits and Paul Johnson is not exactly a charismatic guy (more stubborn, but that is just who he is)....But in general Georgia Tech is just a bully school that runs up the score on inferior opponents and then collapses when teams with a decent defensive line and defense can blow up their Triple Option...

Well-Seasoned · Jul 11, 2014

Well-Seasoned said:
It was a nice gimmick when Paul Johnson first arrived here that caught people off-guard at first plus he had Chan's players.......Vad Lee was supposed to be the answer as fans here would be like imagine if Georgia Tech could throw the ball great (the Bay-Bay Thomas days), but even he got tired of this offense.....The investment in Al Groh was a bad one due to his 3-4 defense just like Georgia with Grantham's 3-4 and in my opinion both of those coaches and schemes were holding both Georgia schools from advancing to another level......As far as Georgia Tech they need better recruits and Paul Johnson is not exactly a charismatic guy (more stubborn, but that is just who he is)....But in general Georgia Tech is just a bully school that runs up the score on inferior opponents and then collapses when teams with a decent defensive line and defense can blow up their Triple Option...

Some GTECH alumni have told me they were actually hoping Georgia would fire Mark Richt a few years ago so GTECH could get him while making a nice offer since he can recruit the state well plus he could get revenge on Georgia for firing him as Richt usually beats GTECH each year...

russ1945 · Jul 11, 2014

Charlie Strong does not fall in this category, too much money invested. But....if they lose to BYU and UCLA and start the season off at 1-2 there will be a deafening hum emitted from Austin. Imagine if they then lost back to back to Baylor and Oklahoma and were halfway thru the season at 2-4. OMG. And they would still have to play back to back at Kansas St and Texas Tech and finish off against Oklahoma St and TCU. If they make it thru all that then Strong was worth every penny. If they finish no better than 8-5 then they are still back on square one.

cloverleaf · Jul 11, 2014

Gardenpeas Russ...where the hell have you been. My gang like's reading your CFB news and you haven't been around for awhile.

Missed you Bud....we need your experience/knowledge here at the RX.......................

My apologies if you have been involved in more important matters than damn football.

Your smarts are needed here for a lot of gaming men.

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