The 33 yard extra point

HarryCaray · Aug 15, 2014

So if they spot it at the 15 isn't it a 32 yard XP? I always added 17 yards to the spot...this has me confused. :think2:

MikeB · Aug 15, 2014

HarryCaray said:
So if they spot it at the 15 isn't it a 32 yard XP? I always added 17 yards to the spot...this has me confused. :think2:

I think that the further you go back, the kicker may want that extra 1 yard to give the ball a better chance to get over the defense.

akphidelt · Aug 15, 2014

MikeB said:
I think that the further you go back, the kicker may want that extra 1 yard to give the ball a better chance to get over the defense.

In my experience kickers like it closer, because your blocking scheme is always to cover the inside leaving the outside gunners free. And the further you move back the easier chance the outside gunners can get there. Just my opinion. Never seen them go back 8 yards. Seen 6-7.

MikeB · Aug 15, 2014

akphidelt said:
In my experience kickers like it closer, because your blocking scheme is always to cover the inside leaving the outside gunners free. And the further you move back the easier chance the outside gunners can get there. Just my opinion. Never seen them go back 8 yards. Seen 6-7.

If they have to drive the ball further (especially into the wind), wouldn't they want it a little further back?

Kinda like when I want to hit my golfball 200 yards, I'm not gonna hit my pitching wedge, I'm gonna take a lower iron.

Albatross · Aug 15, 2014

akphidelt said:
In my experience kickers like it closer, because your blocking scheme is always to cover the inside leaving the outside gunners free. And the further you move back the easier chance the outside gunners can get there. Just my opinion. Never seen them go back 8 yards. Seen 6-7.

Is that you playing place kicker holder in your picture? If so, you could for once could have me convinced.

HarryCaray · Aug 15, 2014

If they're at the 35, it's a 52 yarder. If they're at the 20, it's a 37 yarder. Always has been and that math has always worked.

MikeB · Aug 15, 2014

HarryCaray said:
If they're at the 35, it's a 52 yarder. If they're at the 20, it's a 37 yarder. Always has been and that math has always worked.

I always thought that it was 17 yards plus the yard line too. That was my best guess as to why there is an extra yard added. I don't think that they made the endzone 11 yards deep.

DogDaze · Aug 15, 2014

HarryCaray said:
If they're at the 35, it's a 52 yarder. If they're at the 20, it's a 37 yarder. Always has been and that math has always worked.

This.

akphidelt · Aug 15, 2014

Albatross said:
Is that you playing place kicker holder in your picture? If so, you could for once could have me convinced.

I went to a legit high school, top 25 in the nation pretty much every year. Did not start at qb but did hold for 3 years. And even in college it's always 6-7 yards because the basic geometry of the gunners.

akphidelt · Aug 15, 2014

akphidelt said:
I went to a legit high school, top 25 in the nation pretty much every year. Did not start at qb but did hold for 3 years. And even in college it's always 6-7 yards because the basic geometry of the gunners.

But maybe with the NFL wide bodies they can step back a yard. That xpt by the eagles the holder looked pretty close to the 23 yard line

HarryCaray · Aug 15, 2014

Yeah they're clearly holding it 8 yards back. So I guess the question is why 8 instead of the usual 7.

CHOPTALK · Aug 15, 2014

You are looking at it wrong hc.
You only add 10 yards from the spot of the kick because the end zone is 10 yards. So if you spot it at the 20 it's a 30 yard fg.
Where the 17 yard thing comes in is due to placing the ball 7 yards behind the Los for the snap.

If a team throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 10 from the 20 it would be a 37 yard fg because even though the Los is the 20 they hike the ball and the holder will be 7 yards back from the Los at the 27 then you add 10 more for the endzone and that's how you get your 17 yards

HarryCaray · Aug 15, 2014

CHOPTALK said:
You are looking at it wrong hc.
You only add 10 yards from the spot of the kick because the end zone is 10 yards. So if you spot it at the 20 it's a 30 yard fg.
Where the 17 yard thing comes in is due to placing the ball 7 yards behind the Los for the snap.

If a team throws an incomplete pass on 3rd and 10 from the 20 it would be a 37 yard fg because even though the Los is the 20 they hike the ball and the holder will be 7 yards back from the Los at the 27 then you add 10 more for the endzone and that's how you get your 17 yards

I'm not looking at it wrong I follow exactly what you're saying. You always added 17 yards from the spot...10 for the end zone and 7 for the hold.

Now it is 18 yards on this extra point. They snap it from the 15 and they keep saying it is 33 yards. If you look closely they are holding it at the 23...8 yards back from the snap. So why are they holding it from 8 yards back instead of the usual 7?

HarryCaray · Aug 15, 2014

Either way it's dumb but not NEARLY as dumb as all these friggin defensive contact penalties. Almost unwatchable.

CHOPTALK · Aug 15, 2014

My bad I was looking at it wrong

CHOPTALK · Aug 15, 2014

HarryCaray said:
Either way it's dumb but not NEARLY as dumb as all these friggin defensive contact penalties. Almost unwatchable.

If the regular season gets called this way it will fundamentally change the game.

powerz · Aug 15, 2014

CHOPTALK said:
If the regular season gets called this way it will fundamentally change the game.

next year - not this year

CHOPTALK · Aug 15, 2014

powerz said:
next year - not this year

Im talking about the defensive holding which goes into effect this season

slapshot · Aug 16, 2014

maybe just not trying to mess up the timing thing IDK but extra points are always from the 10 so that's 8 just a guess

terps1313 · Aug 16, 2014

Pretty sure they have been bringing it back 8 yds for years now.

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